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AZPaul3
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Message 15 of 456 (552528)
03-29-2010 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Flyer75
03-29-2010 5:58 PM


... how does evolution explain the beginnings of the universe and can it be proven scientifically
Here is your major issue. Evolution does not explain the beginnings of the universe and was never intended to. Evolution explains the diversity of life we see around us, that is all.
Evolution is not cosmology. These are two separate disciplines. And if cosmologists talk about the evolution of the universe they are using the word in a different context separate from the biological.
When we use the word evolution within its biological meaning do not think about the beginnings of the universe, stellar nucleogenisis or abiogenisis. Think strictly decent with modification, speciation and diversity of living organisms, nothing more.

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AZPaul3
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Message 262 of 456 (555184)
04-12-2010 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Theodoric
04-12-2010 2:03 PM


Re: Huh!?
There is nothing in the Roman or Jewish records of the period. Nothing.
A curiosity, please.
If the gospel stories are true should there be contemporary corroboration outside biblical writings?
Are there records of other contemporary Roman crucifixions in the Judea?
Was Pilot known to have crucified others without leaving a record?
I understand Herod's scribes recorded most everything happening in the palace including grocery orders, visitors and meetings. Does the biblical meeting between Herod and Jesus appear in those records?
I do not believe it does. Why not? Is it likely this meeting could have been missed?
Are there other known occurrences where Herod's records are incomplete?
Would the scribes at the temple have recorded Jesus' actions/teachings/outbursts?
Are there temple records of other such events not involving Jesus?
Are there any Roman, Judean, Royal, administrative records that coulda, shoulda, woulda recorded such events at the time?
Is it plausible that there could be no civil (and to be absurd about it, the contemporary equivalent to tax forms, contracts, records of sale, the "flogging" logs of the Romans, Temple visitation records, anything) records at all recording/attesting to the presence of Jesus, the disciples, their lodging, their heroic entrance into Jerusalem, presence in other cities, outside the biblical record?
Is there anyone familiar enough with Roman and Judean society of the time to shed light on the types of records that were recorded?
Is there a plausible explanation why such records (if any) would not have evidence of the biblical events other than the "it didn't happen" one?

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