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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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Phage0070 writes: ....People require food, shelter, ... - Is there any evidence that the basic limit of 1 million inhabitants, (who would have been living on the Earth 49 thousand years ago), would have been not able to create and do all things that the Humans (in the last and single cluster of 7 thousand years), have done when the population of the Earth was 1 million inhabitants? It is not possible for one to prove that the answer is wrong by a type of probability that is credited or presumed, which takes something other than knowledge of the facts as a reason to presume that the fact could or could not have happened.
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If one separates the last 49 thousand years dividing it into three separated sequences of 14 thousand years, immediately prior to the last seven thousand years, What are the probabilities that the population would have reached 6 billion persons in each of the three seasons of 14 thousand years immediately prior to the last 7 thousand years?
- Due to the perspective that there would have been Humans living on the Earth 70 thousand years ago, the probability of reaching 6 billion persons in each of the three seasons of 14 thousand years is above 100% because of the fact that when the population of the Earth was 1 million persons it took much less than 7 thousand years to reach 1 billion. - 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Minimum extreme limit: . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Basic extreme limit: . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants 49 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The beginning of the three seasons of 14 thousand years - Making the distinction between ascertained probability (verified) and credited probability (when reason is applied to presume), The probability that is ascertained does offer the possibility of one verifying that the probability is real because it is firmed into the foundation of real facts. - When answering that the probability of having reached 6 billion persons in each of the three seasons of 14 thousand years is: ‘0, since they didn’t’ and ‘zero; it never happened’, Does that point of view not fit with the parable of the diamonds robbed, where a man inside the bank states to the detective: ‘Since the vault containing the diamonds that were evaluated at six billion, was robbed at 7:00 p.m., then it is the proof left for us not to even mention the probability of the vault being robbed the other day at 1:14 a.m., or at 2:14 a.m, or at 3:14 a.m. (time of the attempts to rob the bank 49 days prior to it being robbed), since that probability is Zero. -
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Are you saying that human technology, medicine agriculture and means of mass production have not improved in the last 50,000 years?
Or are you saying these factors are irrelevant?
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
CrazyDiamond7 writes: You do not have evidence that the basic limit of 1 million inhabitants, who would have been living on the Earth 49 thousand years ago, were less intelligent and would have not been able to create and do all things that the Humans in the last and single cluster of 7 thousand years have done, even when the population of the Earth was 1 million inhabitants. Do you really think that there is no evidence humans have increased in technology that would aid their population within the last 50 thousand years? I have to assume that this is a language barrier problem, as the alternative would be that you have no long-term memory.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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When answering that past events do not have probability the man inside the bank does clearly demonstrate an attempt to stop the job of the detectives, because his only focus is on the final result of the bank being robbed, by highlighting only the impossibility that anyone would have reached that result, to justify that a person should definitely not quiz nor inquire about the fact that some many men had been planning to place themselves before the vault 49 days ago, saying,
Let everyone abandon that perspective of 70 days ago and cease from investigating the past attempts to rob the bank 49 days ago, (during the time that was mentioned, from 1:14 a.m. to 3:14 a.m.) since they didn’t make it and the probability is Zero; it never happened. ---- A proposal similar to what many men have been doing when suggesting that the question is unnintelligeble and should not be asked. Another coincidence is that the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body, which many men precisely rely on, is the one that becomes obsolete when the investigation is complete for not abandoning the clear perspective of the past events that have been often proposed by the same natural selection theory when placing the Humans to live on the Earth 70 thousand years ago. - Therefore, for not presenting any evidence that the basic extreme limit of 1 million inhabitants could not reach 1 billion inhabitants in less than 7 thousand years, or that it could not reach 6 billion inhabitants in less than 14 thousand years, the zero probability that had been answered had been showing itself up to be applied to the theory that gave support to those many men, because the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body was made with the attempt to place them before the vault (as it was seen in the parable), for planning that the Humans would be there, but the six billion diamonds were not robbed in the time their theory attempted to.
- Final conclusion ---- the phrase 'past events don’t have probabilities' only works against the presumption or theory that becomes lost, when proof is produced against the lie, but in no moment, in real life, can it work to impede an investigation in progress. -
A man inside the bank states to the detective: Since the vault containing the diamonds that were evaluated at six billion was robbed at 7:00 p.m., then it is the proof left for us not to even mention the probability of the vault being robbed the other day at 1:14 a.m., or at 2:14 a.m., or at 3:14 a.m. (time that the attempts to rob the bank occurred, 49 days prior to it being robbed) since that probability is Zero. - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
CrazyDiamond7 writes: Let’s abandon that perspective of 70 days ago, and let’s not investigate the past attempts to rob the bank 49 days ago, (during the time that was mentioned, from 1:14 a.m. to 3:14 a.m.) since they didn’t and the probability is Zero; it never happened. ---- A proposal similar to what many men have been doing when proposing that the question should not be asked. To draw some parallels with human population growth, isn't it like the bank manager saying "I'm not interested in investigating bank robbery methods that don't work, I am interested in investigating the one that did,"? That seems like a reasonable approach to me. Humans have been steadily increasing in their ability to sustain larger populations throughout history. Asking the probability of developing a given advancement at an earlier time is not only a pointless endeavor, but also likely impossible to meaningfully answer.
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jessie Member (Idle past 5050 days) Posts: 74 Joined: |
In 1999, the human population passed six billion. In 1985, it passed five billion. In 1962, it passed three billion. In 1800, it passed one billion. In 1 AD, the world's population, according to the censuses taken by the governments of that time, was only 250 million. At the current human population growth rate, considering wars and famines and all such variables, it would take approximately 5,000 years to get the current population from two original people.
Taken from: How Old Is The Earth? There are also many other websites that bring up those same figures.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2295 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
jessie writes:
And all of them are wrong, since the growth of a population is dependant on far more than the amount of people around. If we allowed for your model to appplied to bacteria, we'd all be drowning in them in a matter of weeks. There are also many other websites that bring up those same figures. Population growth depends on things such as food available, general health, wars being waged, etc.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
In 1999, the human population passed six billion. In 1985, it passed five billion. In 1962, it passed three billion. In 1800, it passed one billion. In 1 AD, the world's population, according to the censuses taken by the governments of that time, was only 250 million. At the current human population growth rate, considering wars and famines and all such variables, it would take approximately 5,000 years to get the current population from two original people. Let me repeat this bit:
At the current human population growth rate...it would take approximately 5,000 years to get the current population from two original people It also would result in the silliest world that lies in contradiction to the other numbers you produced (that is, the contention flatly goes against the evidence and is therefore: wrong) It's perfectly simple: Do the maths. You'll find using a constant human population growth rate in a post-GM world ends up with some of the silliest results you'll ever see if you start with two people. Here's my prediction: After 500 years you'll have only about 20 people on the whole planet. After 1000 years you'll be lucky to have 100 people. David would be king of the Israelites while the world population was less than 20,000 and during Jesus' lifetime you are likely to see numbers in the region of 2 million people. The maths is very easy, and if you were remotely interested in the subject you would have already started doing it by the time you finished this sentence. Constant growth rates = stupid. Try a more realistic model...but I point out that creationist propaganda sites won't help you develop one. They'll continue to talk crap just like the one you cited did and that you just proved false with 10 minutes spare time and a calculator. If you want a model that predicts the real world you will need to include fits and starts taking into account actual resources, politics and technology. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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misha Member (Idle past 4628 days) Posts: 69 From: Atlanta Joined: |
Jessie,
Let's take a look at what your "math" tells us about history. If you are claiming a basic exponential growth model then the basic formula would be: y=a*b^x/T where:a = your starting population (i'm guessing you propose 8 for post-Flood) b = the growth rate (lets just say 2 so that we can model this formula after the population doubling, the opposite of a half-life). x = the time at measurement T = time it takes to double the population (see explanation for b) By using this growth model we see that. . . - the World population at the time of Joseph's slavery would have been 78 people (24 of whom were his brothers, sisters-in-law, father, mother and step-mother not including any sisters, cousins, nieces or nephews.) - the World population at the time of the Exodus would have been 154 people As you can see, a constant growth dynamic is inconsistent with your literal interpretation of genesis.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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An electric generator does not produce enough power to keep itself operating, even so the consumption of regular food when you’re older will never be enough to restore the initial amount of calcium, proteins and hormones that are released from the brain in order for the production of the gastric juice necessary to digest that same food. - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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All Human hormones and proteins necessary to produce that gastric juice; the precise acidity of the gastric juice is not reached without a Human living substance being wasted by eating what is dead. And once it becomes the gastric juice then that living Human substance becomes a decomposition substance. You might read an excerpt of The Thomas Gospel about that,the part that says, 'when you ate what is dead you were making that into what is living....' The cow meat or dead flesh takes a living substance to digest, the more cow meat you have to digest, the more living substance you will need to decompose itand the more death smelling will be the acidity of that juice that is the death spoken about in Genesis, in the words 'in the day you eat from it you will be dying.' quote: - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
CrazyDiamond7 emphasis on CRAZY writes: If it keeps on raining levee is goin’ to break. — If the liquid substance (proteins and hormones) are constantly poured out from the brain, then the entire resistence is going to terminate. The skull that retains the density from the liquid substance intrinsically Human is a cranium strong like ivory. A second Human skull was verified; it was excessively breakable and it fragmented into dust because the liquid substance had been continuously poured out. General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack. General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began? Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack. General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory? General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm. General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm. General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No. General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
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Nij Member (Idle past 4890 days) Posts: 239 From: New Zealand Joined: |
Lol I haven't yet had the chance to view Dr. Strangelove. It is very high up on my to-see list.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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If a instruction says that you will not die as long as you only eat compatible fruits that is not a bad craziness - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1152 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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The truth that is known and not believed, is the fact that was proved by experience; and it is the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth in just one sequence of 14 thousand years, they would have done the same thing anyway. Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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