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Author Topic:   Vestigial Organs?
Dr Jack
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Message 16 of 109 (554514)
04-08-2010 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by rockondon
04-08-2010 12:52 PM


I wouldn't use the appendix as an example of a vestigial organs. Studies into the distribution of the appendix and appendix-like organs in animals suggest that it is adaptive.
One possible function for the appendix is that it is there to reseed the gut with bacteria following a bout of diarrhea. This would also explain why removing the appendix is not harmful - the only societies which can safely remove an appendix are also societies in which diarrhea does not carry a significant risk of death.
My favourite example of vestigiality is stotting in Svalbard Reindeer.

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Message 25 of 109 (554581)
04-09-2010 4:49 AM
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04-08-2010 10:38 AM


In this case, they present "vestigial" as meaning "having no function" whereas the more proper meaning is that it no longer has its original purpose.
I must disagree. From the course on evolution I'm currently studying:
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Vestigial features, structures, biochemical pathways or behaviours are not currently adaptive, at least not in free living stages, although they may facilitate embryonic development
By your definition, the bones of the ear are vestigial jaws, birds wings are vestigial legs, legs themselves are vestigial fins, and so on - that's not right.

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Message 28 of 109 (554656)
04-09-2010 12:57 PM
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04-09-2010 12:39 PM


Hmm, interesting point. One would naturally include Ostrich Wings as vestigial but they're also functional... hmm... I'm not sure what the best way through that is.

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Message 30 of 109 (554667)
04-09-2010 1:46 PM
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04-09-2010 1:36 PM


When a structure that was originally used for one purpose is modified for a new one, that's called an exaptation.
The distinction between a vestigial structure and an exaptation is sometimes vague, but generally speaking if the structure has a substantial new function and purpose, it should be considered an exaptation, not vestigial.
Yes, I realise that, Dwise's definition does not allow for it, however.

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