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Granny Magda
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Message 28 of 213 (555779)
04-15-2010 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by MrQ
04-15-2010 11:01 AM


Physical Laws, Not Logical Laws
Hi MrQ,
I'm afraid I have to agree with the others on this thread. You are mixing up your terms and creating a big mess of confusion.
Did I use word human is any my posts?! By mind I didn't mean human mind. Some sort of mind.
Since the only fully sapient, logic employing minds we are aware of are human, I think that the two terms can be safely taken as synonyms for the purposes of this thread. Human, mind, whatever. Let's use the term mind.
Tell me how reality uses logic?!!!
It doesn't. And that is your problem.
Logic only exists within the mind. It may describe inescapable truths, but those truths are not to be confused with physical laws. They are simply not the same thing.
Reality functions in such a way that it can be described using logic. It functions in such a way that it can be described using mathematics. That doesn't mean reality is built upon logic or mathematics. A dog can be described using words, but that doesn't mean that dogs are made of words.
Physical laws are not the same as logical truths, even if logic can be used to describe them. Without a mind to understand the logic, there would still be physical laws (as there were before the emergence of life), it's just that they would not be described by anyone.
This is really a lot simpler than you're trying to make it.
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
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Message 34 of 213 (555786)
04-15-2010 11:33 AM
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04-15-2010 11:28 AM


Re: Physical Laws, Not Logical Laws
MrQ,
Now why should reality be able to be described by logic? In other words, can a type of reality be illogical?! Like can a reality exist that in it 1+1=3?
I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not.
What does that matter? And what possible connection could there be to ID? If you accept that physical laws are not dependant on logic, then I don't see where else your argument can be taken.
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