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Message 76 of 102 (586691)
10-14-2010 12:05 PM
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10-14-2010 12:04 PM


Re: one contention at a time
It is not fractured, it is about one topic, and supporting reasonings.
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Message 77 of 102 (586692)
10-14-2010 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Dr Adequate
10-14-2010 11:51 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
That is mostly myth, when you relate it to evolution, you need to be within the same species to reproduce, i took a class long ago on it, no where did it sound like evolution was evident.
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Message 78 of 102 (586693)
10-14-2010 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:37 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
What? Eve tempted adam, God doesn't trust all of us, the upcoming battle, the devil will try to take over the world, he has to seek out who he can trust, we bleed, and all of those things, since we betrayed him, God don't because he is the maker. Where do you think we came from?? in mid air, something had to be produced in the first place to make something, telling you now isn't bacteria or space matter.
What? Eve tempted adam, God doesn't trust all of us, the upcoming battle, the devil will try to take over the world, he has to seek out who he can trust, we bleed, and all of those things, since we betrayed him, God don't because he is the maker. Where do you think we came from?? in mid air, something had to be produced in the first place to make something, telling you now isn't bacteria or space matter.

rofl, when the devil comes will he only take over erth or other planets too?

Where do you think we came from??

im not 100% shure how the big bang went bang but after that mattter coled down condensed formed plantets stars ....., 4.5 BILLION years ago the erth formed and after that the first amino acids where fromed they could have formed on erth or where brought here by meteorites. and then some of these amino acids combined to form the first life after that evolution took over as the first cells divided they did not divide in to exsact copies of them selves the copies that where beter suited for the enviorment had a better chance of dividing more times than the ones that did not. preaty soon the cells. Son the cells combined in to groups of cells that was the first multicelular organism and aggain trough evolution the better copies lived one the worse ones died off. Some ones used photosyinthesys to get their energy frome some used other means others fed uppon the other 2 soon the oceans where filled whit life plant like life forms could live on the ground too and trough evolution they where the first to populate the land, after that the first amphibian's evolved they could use the dry land to get away from predators, and soon they evolved and lost their wather breathing methods, trough process of evolution the land was filled whit life and after a few chatastrophies that almost destroyed all life once up to 95% of all life on the planet the first human like mamal had evolved using his brain he had the advantage over the other animals, and the smartest of this pree man had an advantage over the other ones of the same species using his brain power he developed tools, the first language,... all giving him more of an advantage preaty soon he evolved in to a homo sapiens or a modern human and populated the globe, he then invented systems of govement the first where religions animizm, totemizm ... gods, some of the individuals gained power over the others by inventing reasons why things happen so when lightning strucke thor, zevs and similar gods where born the more man could not explain the more gods where made some did not want to offer so much to so many gods so they invented one supreme god that did all of it one of the first trie in this was by a egyptian pharao it did not work out and after his death the old gods where worshiped aggain. at roughly the same time some jews invented their god they told stories about their god and so one wrote them down worshiped him ... and then a remarcable individual came about somewhere in india his name was Siddharta or buddha he invented an atheistic religion whit no gods the religion is still alive today and 2000 years after him came a nother one named jesus his death started a whole series of new religions that where then combined in to christianety as you know today, 700 years after that mohamed formed a new reiligon the muslim religion, and after much ware suffering ... that these 2 religions braught man kind my parrents where borne and after a few years gave birth to me.

and that is where i come from a bit short if you have any questions just ask.


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Message 79 of 102 (586696)
10-14-2010 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by matt101
10-14-2010 12:05 PM


1hr break
I figure a quick break wouldn't be amiss. I appreciate they are all objections to human evolution, but different people will respond to different claims individually. If I open a thread and I see one person having separate discussions about SIV/HIV and immunity inheritance, musculo-skeletal development, another talking about relative number of hairs of humans and chimps, someone else about Biblical inerrancy and a final person talking about whales and whether they can breath underwater - I'm thinking the topic has lost focus.

So pick a direction and stick to it for a while. Make a quality argument for just one of your points, and rebut your opponents objections in detail, humiliating them. Don't fire off a bunch of claims, establish them one at a time and then conclude by listing how your opponents were unable to counter them.

Please don't reply to this post. Any objections can be raised in Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0. You have been suspended for just 1 hour, enough time to read the rules, and develop a good killer post.


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Message 80 of 102 (586699)
10-14-2010 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Wounded King
10-14-2010 11:59 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Well, I fear I am old, and so maybe not current on stuff written this century.

Maybe you can help recommend a few introductory books for Matt to start with.

And Matt, it really is possible to still be a Christian, even a very devout Christian, and to learn about Evolution and the Theory of Evolution.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 81 of 102 (586709)
10-14-2010 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CosmicAtheist
04-18-2010 4:56 AM


Get this
Hypothetically
Despite phenotype (physical) characteristic changesí over time, sexual reproduction with the same species, doesnít say anything.
To create a new kind of species needs to be within its own kind, so nothing on earth can be mated, that is an animal to produce a human. That is why people believe monkeys are the ones, since they share most of our DNA. Since monkeys are immune to HIV, when they evolve, we also would be immune, all of us. Immunity is permanent, it is today, and that doesnít change with the human body. So to believe in evolution donít get.
How can the earth just produce itself anyways, that is a flat out obvious reason to support this? We already know what forms what, and lungs to breath under water, comes only naturally, that is not formed on its own, without a God. Our earth is made out of minerals, not magical dust to make ourselves evolve in such a manner. If we could form species with bacteria, we would, we just canít, and life canít start over by itself, without a God. I mean come on, someone go out and find the materials to mix together to make a human, am sorry, is impossible, just think about that for a second. I knew rest homes, where they seen an angel on films, when someone died, so I believe just with that alone. How would you explain spirits, my dog literally was standing in the air, an old dog, that could not even jump. These minerals we have on earth donít make us bigger, just fat and eventually die from that, dinosaurs were large creatures, first creatures ever lived, none of which could even be close to looking like a human, they could only survive back then since there was large amounts of oxygen. We all have our different proteins and DNA, and within an own species, is the only way something else can evolve, since earth doesnít have anything that can make a change in a DNA, to make the otherwise.
Only some people now can be immune to HIV, is very rare, as for monkeys, it is with all their species, and that would be permanent, if the evolution change did happen, it really didnít. A human now, canít reproduce with a monkey. Even if the immunity was not permanent, what particle on earth, would make that happen? Since all monkeys are immune today, no sexual adaptation could occur, to make this change.
If i was a evolutionist which i'm not id wonder why dinosaurs would not have inhabited the earth again, before us people destroyed the oxygen supply, which is why they are not able to live, if we were to bring them back through there DNA.

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Message 82 of 102 (586711)
10-14-2010 1:33 PM
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10-14-2010 12:32 PM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Yea I know,but in a sense that it has to be within a same species to happen, and to believe that God created everything in his own image within a same species, then yes, but some don't believe in the bible, id be upset to not believe, feel sorry for those who actually believe this is the end.
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Message 83 of 102 (586715)
10-14-2010 1:40 PM
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10-14-2010 12:19 PM


Re: 1hr break
Yea, my point with whales, is nothing on earth can make this happen, not being able to live longer, sexual production, natural selection, food chain, nothing can be explained here. My threads are where people start from and branch off on science, but i added enough science to get the point, the chemicals and protiens, really don't produce something from scratch, has to be started by a higher being. I don't want to hear anything else by anyone, if there not able to see, and stop splurting out words, is why i'm doing this, one person said we didn't have to just evolve from a monkey, just whatever stuff.
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Message 84 of 102 (586716)
10-14-2010 1:40 PM
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10-14-2010 12:19 PM


Re: 1hr break
Yea, my point with whales, is nothing on earth can make this happen, not being able to live longer, sexual production, natural selection, food chain, nothing can be explained here. My threads are where people start from and branch off on science, but i added enough science to get the point, the chemicals and protiens, really don't produce something from scratch, has to be started by a higher being. I don't want to hear anything else by anyone, if there not able to see, and stop splurting out words, is why i'm doing this, one person said we didn't have to just evolve from a monkey, just whatever stuff.
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Message 85 of 102 (586717)
10-14-2010 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Dr Adequate
10-14-2010 11:51 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Read my current thread, your arguing against yourself.
It has to be within own species.
magical dust is like you trying to find materials here on earth, and lay them out on the table, and have them come together by themselves, and form.
DNA has to be produced anyways, not by itself, and the threads have to be connected, is why dinosaurs were not produced all over again.
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Message 86 of 102 (586718)
10-14-2010 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by matt101
10-14-2010 1:22 PM


Re: Get this
Hypothetically
Despite phenotype (physical) characteristic changesí over time, sexual reproduction with the same species, doesnít say anything.
To create a new kind of species needs to be within its own kind, so nothing on earth can be mated, that is an animal to produce a human. That is why people believe monkeys are the ones, since they share most of our DNA. Since monkeys are immune to HIV, when they evolve, we also would be immune, all of us. Immunity is permanent, it is today, and that doesnít change with the human body. So to believe in evolution donít get.
How can the earth just produce itself anyways, that is a flat out obvious reason to support this? We already know what forms what, and lungs to breath under water, comes only naturally, that is not formed on its own, without a God. Our earth is made out of minerals, not magical dust to make ourselves evolve in such a manner. If we could form species with bacteria, we would, we just canít, and life canít start over by itself, without a God. I mean come on, someone go out and find the materials to mix together to make a human, am sorry, is impossible, just think about that for a second. I knew rest homes, where they seen an angel on films, when someone died, so I believe just with that alone. How would you explain spirits, my dog literally was standing in the air, an old dog, that could not even jump. These minerals we have on earth donít make us bigger, just fat and eventually die from that, dinosaurs were large creatures, first creatures ever lived, none of which could even be close to looking like a human, they could only survive back then since there was large amounts of oxygen. We all have our different proteins and DNA, and within an own species, is the only way something else can evolve, since earth doesnít have anything that can make a change in a DNA, to make the otherwise.
Only some people now can be immune to HIV, is very rare, as for monkeys, it is with all their species, and that would be permanent, if the evolution change did happen, it really didnít. A human now, canít reproduce with a monkey. Even if the immunity was not permanent, what particle on earth, would make that happen? Since all monkeys are immune today, no sexual adaptation could occur, to make this change.

Do you evan read any replies id dosent matter if monkeys can shoot lasers from their eyes WE DID NOT EVOVLVE FROM THEM!!!! we evolved from a preehuman/monkey the monkeys went of and did their thing the humans did our own thing for you to be right that PREmonkey/human hadt to have imunety and still your argument could be rebuttet that during the course of evolution we lost that immunity


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Message 87 of 102 (586719)
10-14-2010 1:45 PM
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10-14-2010 1:22 PM


Re: Get this
We're learning a lot today, aren't we? Minerals make you fat, blood is poisonous, people "destroyed the oxygen supply", angels appear on films, "earth doesnít have anything that can make a change in a DNA", and dogs can levitate.
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Message 88 of 102 (586721)
10-14-2010 1:47 PM
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10-14-2010 1:44 PM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Read my current thread, your arguing against yourself.

No I'm not. 'Cos of you and me actually being two different people.

magical dust is like you trying to find materials here on earth, and lay them out on the table, and have them come together by themselves, and form.
DNA has to be produced anyways, not by itself, and the threads have to be connected, is why dinosaurs were not produced all over again.

What your posts lack in coherence, they more than make up for in incoherence.


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Message 89 of 102 (586722)
10-14-2010 1:48 PM
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10-14-2010 1:45 PM


Re: Get this
you don't even use your brain, you can stop at any time. The other pig face guy, if read my current thread, have updated and addresses everyones threads.
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Message 90 of 102 (586723)
10-14-2010 1:52 PM
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10-14-2010 1:40 PM


Re: 48hr break
I don't want to hear anything else by anyone

I believe you. Take 48hrs to consider if you'd like to change that. Start by reading where I requested you don't reply to my post and advance from there.

If you return and when you do so, I am faced with making another moderation decision it will be to suspend you indefinitely.

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