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What exactly is ID?

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Jazzns
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Message 1164 of 1273 (549672)
03-09-2010 5:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 1162 by Smooth Operator
03-09-2010 4:53 PM

Re: ID and the Designer
SETI. They never claimed to know the identity of extraterestrials from whose signals they would infer design.
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SETI doesn't proclaim the identity of extraterestrials to be out of bounds or out of the sphere of methodological naturalism. SETI is merely limited by technology and is not trying to redefine science like ID is. Big difference.
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03-13-2010 1:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 1169 by Smooth Operator
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Re: ID and the Designer
claim that you can't get for the design to the designer.
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That is an unsupported assertion. With SETI, it is simply out of the bounds of our current technological capabilities to get from the design to the designer. They do NOT proclaim it out of bounds by fiat like ID does.
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You are the one who drew the comparison, it is up to you to support it with more than just your say so.
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03-16-2010 10:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 1183 by Smooth Operator
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Re: ID and the Designer
If we had better technology, to actually eitehr go to outer space and find some alien designer, than that would not be the case of design detection. But of simply observing the designer.
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Exactly, except ID's position is that is impossible IN PRINCIPLE to do designer detection. THAT is why the analogy to SETI is a false analogy.
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