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IamJoseph
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Message 1253 of 1273 (626705)
07-30-2011 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Son
06-09-2009 2:38 PM


ID is a back door entry to Creationism, without incurring the wrath of anti-creationists. A design infers a designer, which is one and the same as a Creator; Goddidit.
ID seems to go this path without referring to the theology which introduced creationism, by its findings and assessments of criteria which aligns with a designer minus the Goddidit. They also avoid much of a distorted version of Genesis by Christianity, namely that the earth is 6000 years old - which Genesis does not say. In actual fact, Genesis is the first recording the universe and the earth are billions of years old, in describing a host of actions which preceded life!
A host of emerging scientists disagree with the Dawkins/Hawkings premises as in fact unscientific, a syndrome very similar to what occured with Darwin - namely a host of humans who did not see the Gospels as credible in portraying the emergence of the universe, but were threatened of saying so - saw Darwin as their savior. Today, the anti-creationsts still don't cnfront theologies like the Gospels and Quran - two theologies which claimed the earth was flat; instead they take their anxst out by scapegoating to the only theology which did not say the earth was flat!
Some scientists condone ID with the premise a complexity cannot be derived by a random; other atheist scientists countered with the term 'SELECTION' as their answer to a non-random, another bogus slight of hand response disguised as science. I would rather see as selectEE a more honest response. Dawkins and Hawkings do not work when the preamble is a finite universe - first declared in Genesis.

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IamJoseph
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Message 1257 of 1273 (626768)
07-31-2011 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1255 by Panda
07-31-2011 12:00 AM


Re: A simple question...
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I have found an object in my garden - I do not recognise it.
I doubt that design here means some form of graphic drawing or a recognizable shape. Instead, it refers to an intelligent construct of complexity which does not appear plausable as random but the result of an intentional input. ID says a car is not the result of a random set of accumulative occurences over infinite time, but the result of a car maker.

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