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Buzsaw

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Message 885 of 1273 (544465)
01-26-2010 5:08 PM

Reply to: Message 846 by traderdrew
01-25-2010 12:35 PM

Re: Design Flaw

traderdrew writes:

Take the example of the recurrent largynal nerve found in humans and giraffes among other mammals. From their perspective, it is a design flaw that serves no better purpose than a direct route. I could say this is a science stopper in itself and it stops inquiry!!! By assuming it is a design flaw, theoretically all inquiry will stop from investigating the reasons why or the possible reasons for the what may appear to be an unusual configuration of the nerves.

Science once thought that the appendix, unique to mankind, was a design flaw. Now it is known to aid in the function of the colon relative to beneficial microbes.

I Googled largynal. All that came up was your EvC message. (Smile; you're unique on the www

) It is not in my unabridged dictionary. Is there a place you can direct me to read about it, or can you elaborate a bit on it?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 899 of 1273 (544510)
01-26-2010 10:01 PM

Reply to: Message 896 by 3DSOC
01-26-2010 9:23 PM

Re: Great Post

3DSOC writes:

Okay, I'm one of those non-atheists and so I shouldn't be here, but there is one contradiction (IMO) that I'd like you're take on.

What is the "why" behind evolution? Why evolve? Why survive?

Hi 3D. Welcome to EvC. As a matter of fact we need you here at this site and you need us, regardless of ideology. As iron sharpens iron, we sharpen one another here. We creationists can learn from our secularist friends and hopfully teach them as well.

Btw, many evolutionists are not athiests.

The implication of your question raises a pertinent point which bodes well for the ID hypothesis. As well, as per the topic title question, one of the aspects of ID is that it emphatically emplies purpose relative to the whys and wherefores of observed complexity.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw

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Message 900 of 1273 (544519)
01-26-2010 10:16 PM

Reply to: Message 898 by Coyote
01-26-2010 10:00 PM

Re: Great Post

Coyote writes:

As for "why evolve?" That is pretty simple--populations evolve to better survive when conditions change. Within each population there is a range of variation, enhanced by occasional mutations. When conditions change that range will move up or down the bell curve to better adapt to those conditions. By doing so they are better able to pass their genes on to the next generation. Over time those changes result in speciation, but that was not the plan from the beginning. Speciation just sort of happens.

Hi Coyote. Perhaps the more difficult questions would be, why abiogenesis, why the progression from abiogenesis to evolution and why the drive for survival in biogenesis and early alleged eras of evolution. Just as the house has a purpose and ID blueprint for the progression from trees to cut boards to house, so ID raises none of the afore mentioned questions relative to origins.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw

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Message 902 of 1273 (544539)
01-27-2010 12:05 AM

Reply to: Message 886 by New Cat's Eye
01-26-2010 5:37 PM

Re: Design Flaw

Catholic Scientist writes:

shoulda did the phrase:

Thanks very much CS. From the Wiki site it appears that the largynal nerve does have a useful function relative to the voice. When damaged, the voice is affected adversely.

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Message 948 of 1273 (544848)
01-28-2010 5:38 PM

Reply to: Message 907 by Granny Magda
01-27-2010 11:09 AM

Re: Design Flaw

Hi Granny.

If you want a better view of the issues raised by the recurrent laryngeal nerve, there is a thread open on the topic. Perhaps you will be the first to explain why the RLN takes the peculiar route that it does.

Thanks to you and Wounded King for the info. Perhaps some day physiology phenomena probing scientists like the ones who figured out that all of the junk DNA and apendixes were'nt useless will figure out a reason for this phenomenon in the by and by.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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