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Author Topic:   Fossils, strata and the flood
roxrkool
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Message 120 of 163 (561729)
05-22-2010 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
05-02-2010 9:12 AM


Oh Lord...
You surely are the most delusional poster we've ever had on this forum. LOL You haven't a clue as to how geology works and I am quite certain you have never opened, much less read, a book on geology... ever. You, my dear, are a big, fat liar with a massive inferiority complex.
Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.

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roxrkool
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From: Nevada
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Message 124 of 163 (562686)
05-31-2010 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Architect-426
05-29-2010 12:33 AM


Re: Oh Lord...save us from wacky "geology" theories...
Architect, that post you quoted was not directed at you, but I shall reply when I have the time.
I must apologize to Faith, she wrote me a very nice PM (to which I have partially replied), despite my obnoxious post. I intend to continue my discussion with her via PM due to her current status.

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roxrkool
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Message 125 of 163 (562719)
06-01-2010 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Architect-426
05-29-2010 12:33 AM


Here’s an example; the British Isles are a result of intense volcanism, not a friggin’ 3cm/yr plate crash. Get the picture there rox?
No, I don't get anything you write. Define "intense volcanism" and present your evidence for it.
Here’s another example; rocks are brittle (including basalt, sandstone, granite, etc.). Why this simple fact escapes science is beyond me.
It's obvious you have not read much about geology as this "simple fact" is known by all. Rocks on the surface/near-surface tend to behave in a brittle manner. However, rocks subjected to increased temperatures and/or pressures will often behave in a ductile manner. Try Googling "brittle-ductile transition zone."
You guys are looking at dried up rocks that have cured, cracked and dessicated after they were deposited. Yet plate tectonics stacked them up somehow at 4cm/yr. Man you guys obviously have no clue how earthly material truly gets stacked.
Your layman's terms mean nothing to me. Show me pictures and define what you mean by dried up, cured, cracked, dessicated, deposited, etc.
Oh c’mon there roxyroo just because I blatantly refuse orthodox science and am not afraid to challenge each and every one of you does not make me into a liar now does it? As far as a massive inferiority complex goes, nope, sorry, I have a massive ego I am an ARCHITECT for crying out loud
I think it's quite clear you have a massive ego.

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roxrkool
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Message 130 of 163 (562818)
06-02-2010 12:49 AM
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06-01-2010 6:30 AM


Re:
My main beef with architects is their penchant for calling all stone "granite." HELLO!! That's a two-pyroxene leuco-gabbro, not a granite. Sheesh!

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roxrkool
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Message 132 of 163 (562900)
06-02-2010 11:29 AM
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06-02-2010 7:30 AM


Re:
heh heh

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roxrkool
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Message 137 of 163 (563145)
06-03-2010 2:41 PM
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06-03-2010 10:49 AM


Re:
Good! Though I had to leave CO again. Gotta go where the work is -- Nevada. I'm doing porph Cu again and really enjoying it.
You?

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roxrkool
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Message 140 of 163 (564065)
06-08-2010 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Architect-426
06-08-2010 12:44 AM


Re: Oh Lord...I need forgiveness...
I also believe the Great Flood was a massive volcanic event in which the scale was unprecedented. This coupled with aquatic debris flow I believe created the strata we see today.
How does volcanism and a debris flow deposit limestone, coal, red sandstone, white sandstone, shale, etc.?
Scotland is entirely of volcanic origin no doubt with the presence of basalt, magmatic dikes, sills etc.
Have you ever even looked at a geologic map of Scotland? Unless you can show us how volcanism can deposit clastic and marine sedimentary rocks, you need to retract this statement.
Edited by roxrkool, : Clarification

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roxrkool
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Message 161 of 163 (565023)
06-14-2010 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Architect-426
06-10-2010 12:14 PM


Re: Strata & Volcanoes
That engine has to be intense heat causing massive circulation of debris saturated water.
In my readings through modern geological publications, no one has given any plausible answers to the production or formation of sedimentary stones, so I suppose the ‘ol Arch here has to offer one
No it doesn't. We have deposition happening in the here and now and only a small percentage of it has to do with volcanism. Weathering and erosion are enough to cause sedimentary deposition. Why do you purposely ignore these systems?
Fact: Magma often explodes into fine sand particles when it comes into contact with water.
First of all, magma does not explode into fine "sand" particles. Magma that comes into contact with water will explode violently forming ash, lapilli, and rocks. Ash is glass with a chemical composition similar to the composition of the parental magma. It has a spongy appearance (due to escaping gases). Sand, on the other hand, is composed of individual minerals, NOT glass, such as quartz and feldspar, which are often rounded to some degree. Ash can occur in such tiny fragments, that they are respirable by humans and other animals. Sand does not get so fine grained.
Ash looks nothing at all like sand because the processes that create each are far different:
ash
sand
Completely different physically AND chemically.
So yes, we are quite aware of these events. How about you look up the term "phreatic eruption?" Then look at the pictures above again and see how they look nothing alike. In addition, ash cannot form limestone or shale. With the exception of perhaps a rare magma, you're not going to be getting much CaCO3 in the air during a phreatic type eruption. And even if you do, you're not forming fossiliferous limestone.
So tell us again how volcanism deposits fossil-bearing limestones and shales.
Regardless of the type of sediments (minus alluvial deposits), I don’t see why volcanic action cannot be a direct or indirect method of deposition of material.
Please take us through the entire process of getting limestone from magma. This includes the chemistry, fossils, and the aero- and hydrodynamics of the depositional processes, etc.
I’ve looked any many geological maps. The fallacy is they are typically 2-D and thus will not give a complete nor true picture of the composition of any given region beyond a very general rendition. It is no different than me issuing a contractor a set of plans only of a building and tell him to go build it without any vertical information or details.
LOL Ever hear of cross-sections, stratigraphic sections? Have you bothered to read any in-depth geologic literature?
I also find it fascinating that in these geology maps (which are colored by numbers), you inevitably have billion year old rocks parked right beside million year old rocks but ZERO explanation of the deposition process.
That's because those maps assume any interested parties will have at least a basic understanding of geologic principles and systems, as well as the ability to look up and research formation names (if no report accompanies the map). Don't blame others for your ignorance, Archie.
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roxrkool
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Message 163 of 163 (565047)
06-14-2010 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Kitsune
06-14-2010 11:55 AM


Re: Strata & Volcanoes
According to my understanding, Archie is claiming that sedimentary rocks, such as sandstone and limestone, can form from a magma (rhyolitic? basaltic? the type, Archie does not elarborate) during a phreatic-type eruption. So basically, magma hits water, explosion, magma and water vaporize, magma and vapor fly up into the troposphere(?), magma solidifies into tiny quartz, feldspar, carbonate(?), clay grains, grains rain down onto the Earth's surface, and voila, sandstone, limestone, and shale.
Archie can arrogantly state this because he is blissfully ignorant of the significant differences between ash and it's magmatic chemistry, and sand, carbonate, and clay mineralogy, texture, and structure (e.g., bedding).

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