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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Rodnas 
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Message 916 of 984 (745650)
12-25-2014 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 912 by RAZD
12-25-2014 10:49 AM


Re: A Q of authority
I can answer your questions but they are off topic. The programming of life or not is the topic, that is all.
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Rodnas 
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Message 917 of 984 (745652)
12-25-2014 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by extent
05-04-2010 7:22 PM


It is not a question of teaching religion, it is a question of teaching the science that substantiates creationism. Darwinism is already being taught in schools and the science is full of holes. However, a civil discussion is impossible here as the opposition is resorting to ad hominem ridicule and put downs. The believers in a round Earth were also ridiculed by the ignoramuses and the same thing is happening here, but Darwinism will eventually be debunked because it cannot prove life's origin, only speculate, and that's not science.

"The information for organic evolution has somehow been predetermined in the evolving genome in a way comparable to the way in which the necessary information to produce a complete organism is contained within a single cell, the fertilized egg." Developmental Biologist John A. Davison,, in "Evolution as a Prescribed Process"

Edited by Rodnas, : Added content.

Edited by Rodnas, : text corrected


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Dr Adequate
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Message 918 of 984 (745653)
12-25-2014 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Rodnas
12-25-2014 2:34 PM


Re: A Q of authority
The topic here is about creation/evolution, I offer scientific information about creation, it is rejected a priori by ignoramuses like you (read my books), so the discussion ends here.

You've offered unsupported assertions laced with personal abuse. That's not a discussion, it's inept sermonizing. If you have a shred of a scrap of a scintilla of evidence for your views, start a thread and present it. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Rodnas 
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Message 919 of 984 (745654)
12-25-2014 3:03 PM
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12-25-2014 2:48 PM


Re: A Q of authority
The information was substantiated but rejected a priori. I was told to catch up on my reading, I say the same to you. Obviously, as an ignoramus, you are not interested in the information I provided so discussion is no longer possible.

Good bye and good riddance, arrogant and ignorant.

P.S. What are you a doctor in?

.

Edited by Rodnas, : added content


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Rodnas 
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Message 920 of 984 (745655)
12-25-2014 3:20 PM
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12-25-2014 2:48 PM


Re: A Q of authority
The title of this thread should be: Education and Creation/Evolution (as long as it is Evolution.) Yes, with closed-minded, opinionated ignoramuses like you it is a waste of time. I just asked Admin how to end my membership here so I don't have to read posts by insulting trashtalkers.
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Message 921 of 984 (745656)
12-25-2014 3:29 PM
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12-25-2014 3:20 PM


Re: A Q of authority
Rodnas, The title of this thread is "Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?". Please stick to this topic if you decide to continue to post here.

If you no longer want to read posts here then stop reading. If you no longer wish to post here yourself, then stop posting. Please stop threatening to quit if you do not mean it.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 922 of 984 (745657)
12-25-2014 3:42 PM
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12-25-2014 3:20 PM


Re: A Q of authority
closed-minded, opinionated ignoramuses like you

insulting trashtalkers

You're not very self-aware, are you?

You also don't seem to know what "closed-minded" means. You have been asked to prevent evidence for your views. That's perfectly open-minded. That would be the quintessence of open-mindedness. What you apparently want is for us to accept your views without you putting forward any evidence for them. That would not be open-mindedness. That would be idiocy.


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Rodnas 
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Message 923 of 984 (745658)
12-25-2014 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by Dr Adequate
12-25-2014 3:42 PM


Re: A Q of authority
I presented evidence, you just did not read it because you are not interested in anything that contradicts your view so you are blind to mine.

Read/study the following:
Donald E. Johnnson "Programming of Life." (2007) Rejected for his religious view.
Gerard Battail "Information Theory and Error-Correcting Codes in Genetics and Biological Evolution" (2008)
John A. Davison "Evolution as a Prescribed Process."

Study these, then we talk, ignorant.

Again: What are you a DOCTOR in?

Edited by Rodnas, : spelling


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Rodnas 
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Message 924 of 984 (745659)
12-25-2014 4:02 PM
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12-25-2014 3:29 PM


Re: A Q of authority
The title should allow for the creationist view, but it's rejected a priori. I presented supporting evidence but it is not considered. What discussion is possible under these conditions? None. Just be honest and say you are not interested in creationism and stop pretending.

Edited by Rodnas, : added text


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Message 925 of 984 (745660)
12-25-2014 4:03 PM


TOPIC
The topic is Should we teach both evolution and religion in school. Stick to this topic in this thread. Continuing off-topic will result in this thread being closed.

Rodnas, are you leaving or not? If you are leaving please refrain from posting. Everyone else, refrain from engaging Rodnas in off-topic posts.


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Rodnas 
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Message 926 of 984 (745661)
12-25-2014 4:14 PM
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12-25-2014 4:03 PM


Re: TOPIC
I am leaving when ready. You may ban me if you wish, I'll gladly leave this nest of mind f#@*&^s.
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Message 927 of 984 (745662)
12-25-2014 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 926 by Rodnas
12-25-2014 4:14 PM


Re: TOPIC
As you wish.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 928 of 984 (745664)
12-25-2014 5:26 PM
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12-25-2014 4:03 PM


Re: TOPIC
OK, let's do that.

Evolution should be taught in schools because the people who object to it are a bunch of halfwits who don't even know what the word "evidence" means, let alone being able to produce any.

This generalization is admittedly based on a small sample.


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RAZD
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Message 929 of 984 (745674)
12-25-2014 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 916 by Rodnas
12-25-2014 2:36 PM


defending a thesis
I can answer your questions but they are off topic. ...

That's twice you've dodged the questions. You could easily present your argument as a course outline to study your position in school, that is why I asked you about teaching it in comparative fantasy or science, and why I listed what you would need to do to teach it as science.

So I continue to take your failure to answer the questions as tacit admission that you do not have the answers. It does not matter to me whether you answer them here or in a new thread dedicated purely to your presentation of evidence and scientific investigations that support your position. I take your failure to start such a thread as tacit admission that you don't have any.

AND I take your classic crash and burn behavior in the last several posts that resulted in your suspension as further evidence that you just do not have any such evidence. This is typical behavior caused by cognitive dissonance: first attack the people (the ad hominem logical fallacy) who are providing information that contradicts your beliefs, then claiming some kind of universal conspiracy with everyone against you.

Your anger is because you don't know how to deal with the problem caused by contradictions to your belief and people justifiably skeptical of it.

You don't get off by saying people are close-minded when you failed to take the offered open opportunity to present your information in a new thread.

... The programming of life or not is the topic, that is all.

I asked you how you would teach it in school to assist you in presentation of material to tie it in to the topic -- and you failed to take that path.

You don't get off by listing a set of websites to read when you don't (can't?) even pick out pertinent information to post from those sites and expect us to find it for you.

In school there is a process called defending a thesis: you failed to do this. I suggest you search defending a thesis and find out what it means.

Enjoy.


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Message 930 of 984 (745676)
12-25-2014 9:13 PM
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12-25-2014 9:02 PM


Re: defending a thesis
That's twice you've dodged the questions.

Isn't Rodnas permanently banned?


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