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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
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Message 946 of 949 (759616)
06-13-2015 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Tangle
06-13-2015 1:53 PM


Ya mean gezus gryst?


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Message 947 of 949 (759618)
06-13-2015 3:31 PM
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06-13-2015 3:17 PM


Enough of this topic diversion
A general reply, even if I'm posting it as a reply to RAZD (the last culprit in the non-topic diversion).

Do something at least somewhat connected to the topic theme, or don't post.

No reply needed.

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Or something like that.

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Message 948 of 949 (759621)
06-13-2015 4:50 PM
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06-13-2015 1:29 PM


science vs humanities
On the one hand, there's a lot of controversy in scientific circles about whether natural selection can be said to be the prime mechanism driving evolution. But on the other hand, at least natural selection can be demonstrated, ...

Indeed, and when it comes to public school science classes, the emphasis should be on processes that can be defined simply, and observed in action: such as the classic Peppered Moths demonstrate the simplicity of natural selection (first for dark moths and then for light moths).

On the one hand, there's a lot of controversy in scientific circles about whether natural selection can be said to be the prime mechanism driving evolution. ...

Certainly a case can be made for genetic drift being a major source of change when selection pressure is small or non-existent (a stasis ecology).

And sexual selection can operate at a faster time scale than natural selection, especially if you get to Fisherian runaway sexual selection.

... can be demonstrated, unlike a "supreme consciousness."

The idea of creationism could be introduced as a means of demonstrating why scientific hypothesis need to be testable and make predictions to qualify as science and why science doesn't address questions that cannot be tested.

Creationism can also be taught in a comparative religion humanities type class, comparing the creation myths from multiple various cultures. It could be a "fair and balanced" class discussing the pros and cons of different religions ...

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Message 949 of 949 (759715)
06-14-2015 4:47 PM
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06-13-2015 12:17 PM


However, to believe that natural selection is the only, or even prime, mechanism driving evolution is as much an act of faith as it is to believe in a supreme consciousness driving it.

Why do you say that? We can, after all observe evolution by natural selection. But we have never observed evolution driven by a supreme consciousness any more than we have observed evolution caused by Magic Evolution Pixies. Clearly it is less of a stretch to ascribe evolution to a process which we can observe causing evolution than to a hypothetical entity that we have never observed causing evolution; just as, for example, it is less of a stretch to attribute lightning to electricity, which we know about, than to Thor, whose very existence is questionable.


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