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Taq
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Message 1081 of 1138 (840731)
10-03-2018 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1078 by creation
10-03-2018 12:17 PM


Re: nature of time
creation writes:

The wise men observed on over a house on a street. Yet you have faith something else happened.
The universe does not exist according to what you see happen on a street on earth.

You didn't answer my question. If you see a car coming down the street is that a belief based conclusion?


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1.61803
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Message 1082 of 1138 (840738)
10-03-2018 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by creation
10-02-2018 7:20 PM


Re: nature of time
Hello creation, If you do not ascribe to what General Relativity explains then you will simply hand waive away one of the most important experimentally verified scientific theories to date. Which seems to imply that you are simply being dogmatic or trolling and not really interested in Science.

Approximations can be useful and many times all we have.

Check out this link if your interested.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/...nd-universe-intermediate


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1083 of 1138 (840747)
10-03-2018 10:43 PM
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10-03-2018 4:55 PM


Re: nature of time
No. But what has that got to do with stars?
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creation
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Message 1084 of 1138 (840748)
10-03-2018 10:46 PM
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10-03-2018 5:42 PM


Re: nature of time
GR is fine. The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe. Does it even apply in the far universe? Looking at some bent light does not mean GR had to have been responsible for the bending.

Since no distance to any star is known, no sizes are known, no mass...etc. That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc...


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Message 1085 of 1138 (840750)
10-03-2018 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by ringo
10-03-2018 12:45 PM


Re: nature of time
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty. Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting. It is criminal cover up.
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Message 1086 of 1138 (840751)
10-03-2018 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1051 by dwise1
01-28-2018 3:54 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
Your wacky conspiracy theories aside, I addressed the issue of correlations. They all rest on the same belief. That belief is that a same set of laws and nature applied on earth since the start.
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Tanypteryx
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Message 1087 of 1138 (840757)
10-04-2018 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1084 by creation
10-03-2018 10:46 PM


Re: nature of time
GR is fine. The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe.

Who is that an issue for? How do you know what it tells us?

creation writes:

Looking at some bent light does not mean GR had to have been responsible for the bending.

Well that's good, because GR is an explanation and a description, not a cause, or a force.

creation writes:

Since no distance to any star is known

The distance to millions of stars is known.

creation writes:

no sizes are known

Wrong again.

creation writes:

no mass...etc

Wrong about everything again, etc.

creation writes:

That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc...

If this actually made sense it would still be wrong, etc.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 1088 of 1138 (840758)
10-04-2018 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1085 by creation
10-03-2018 10:50 PM


Re: nature of time
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty.

You're going to have to up your game a whole bunch before you can claim to have busted anything.

Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting.

Yours is a classic example of an uncorrected faulty model.

It is criminal cover up.

Really? "The Laws of the Universe have been broken in a most criminal manner, Your Honor. Then they covered up the whole affair with Dark matter."


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1089 of 1138 (840789)
10-04-2018 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1084 by creation
10-03-2018 10:46 PM


Re: nature of time
creation writes:

The issue is whether it tells us what time is, and what time is in the far universe. Does it even apply in the far universe?


Did you not read the article ?

creation writes:

Since no distance to any star is known, no sizes are known, no mass...etc. That means whatever gravity is at work is also not clear. Etc..

This is an example of someone who does not have the faintest idea of what they are talking about.

There are many folks on this board that have been patient with you and would teach you a great deal about science. If you are going to dismiss one of the most elegant and concise theories of how spacetime and gravity are related you will be hard pressed to ever find a theory that will explain it to you.

Read this article about GPS.
http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=55
This is just one example of how science can know things and use it in real world applications.


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 1090 of 1138 (840790)
10-04-2018 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1085 by creation
10-03-2018 10:50 PM


Re: nature of time
creation writes:

Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty.


Creationism has been busted. Didn't you get the memo? It's just dishonest to pretend that it has anything to offer.

creation writes:

Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting.


Science corrects itself. Creationism has never succeeded in showing any flaws. All creationists ever show is that they don't understand the model.

If you think the model is flawed, pick a topic and discuss it in depth. You might learn something. So far, all you've done is parrot creationist rhetoric that has been refuted a thousand times.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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creation
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Message 1091 of 1138 (840823)
10-04-2018 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1090 by ringo
10-04-2018 12:05 PM


Re: nature of time
Creationism is the belief in God creating everything. You should not confuse some historical attempts at explaining how the evidences fit with a creation, with creation itself.

Men of science who believed also in creation tried to use the science they knew to explain it. They had the limit of having to work within the belief based paradigm of science.

Creation is too big for science regardless of whether men of science try to use it to know about the works of God.

My approach has been more one of looking at the real premises and fundamental core beliefs that are used in origin sciences.


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Message 1092 of 1138 (840824)
10-04-2018 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1089 by 1.61803
10-04-2018 12:04 PM


Re: nature of time
GPS near earth has zero to do with time in deep space. Now, you must show us exactly how your article even relates to the issue.
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Message 1093 of 1138 (840826)
10-04-2018 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1088 by Tanypteryx
10-04-2018 2:04 AM


Re: nature of time
Dark stuff is an invention, born out of a need to prop up the belief based models of science.

You might as well teach Jack in the Beanstalk in schools as science.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 1094 of 1138 (840828)
10-04-2018 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1093 by creation
10-04-2018 3:22 PM


Re: nature of time
Dark stuff is an invention, born out of a need to prop up the belief based models of science.
You might as well teach Jack in the Beanstalk in schools as science.

Right over your head.

It's "Jack and the Beanstalk."


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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creation
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Message 1095 of 1138 (840830)
10-04-2018 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1087 by Tanypteryx
10-04-2018 1:49 AM


Re: nature of time
No. The distance to NO star is known. Parallax is unable to give any far distances. Parallax assumes time and space exists the same and draws a line based on that belief that is supposed to represent distance.
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