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Message 1186 of 1283 (842163)
10-27-2018 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1177 by Dr Adequate
10-26-2018 10:43 AM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
False. When spirits are included in almost all beliefs, that is compatible. The issue of what they did, and which ones were good and bad is beside the point. People teaching that they know there were no spirits are liars, and uniformed, ignorant false teachers.
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Message 1187 of 1283 (842179)
10-27-2018 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1183 by RAZD
10-26-2018 11:38 PM


Re: The atheist biologist issue ...
True... The truth, will anyone ever know? Not in our lifetime

Cos im doing engineering its all black and white. Mathematics confirms nearly everything for us and we cannot proceed to the next step unless we're absolutely know its correct cos its being applied. U know wat i mean.

My doubts lie in Atheist Biology. All the big wigs are Atheist. They have this theory so, they look to try and confirm that theory. I don't like that approach. Cherry pick the data that fits and discard the rest.

And these big wigs like Dawkins go around doing lectures on bashing religion. Why. Your a scientist. Stop entertaining the religious folk. Just talk science only. It looks suss

Then in an interview I heard him admit the possibility of extraterrestrial creation. Like WTF. How can I believe this guy. Unless there is a logic i can't see. If one type of creation is possible then wouldn't all types of creation be possible?

Accepting Dawkins rhetoric is impossible given how hard it is to convince me of anything. LoL. I don't trust him. Thats why I have little faith in the theory

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1188 of 1283 (842185)
10-27-2018 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1186 by creation
10-27-2018 2:26 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
and uniformed, ignorant false teachers.

So, what did their uniforms look like?

When spirits are included in almost all beliefs, that is compatible.

I have absolutely no idea what this means. Show us a spirit, just one.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1189 of 1283 (842197)
10-27-2018 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Porkncheese
10-27-2018 3:28 PM


Re: The atheist biologist issue ...
... All the big wigs are Atheist. ...

Nope. Kenneth R. Miller, for example.

quote:
(born July 14, 1948) is an American cell biologist and molecular biologist who is currently Professor of Biology and Royce Family Professor for Teaching Excellence at Brown University.[2] Miller's primary research focus is the structure and function of cell membranes, especially chloroplast thylakoid membranes.[2] ... Miller, who is Roman Catholic, is opposed to creationism, including the intelligent design (ID) movement. He has written two books on the subject: Finding Darwin's God, which argues that acceptance of evolution is compatible with a belief in God; and Only a Theory, which explores ID and the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case as well as its implications in science across America.

Accepting Dawkins rhetoric is impossible given how hard it is to convince me of anything. LoL. I don't trust him. Thats why I have little faith in the theory

That's hardly a valid reason to throw out the whole field.

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Message 1190 of 1283 (842199)
10-27-2018 4:37 PM
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10-27-2018 4:33 PM


Re: The atheist biologist issue ...
Miller is also the coauthor of a Biology text (Miller and Levine).
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Message 1191 of 1283 (842200)
10-27-2018 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1184 by creation
10-27-2018 2:22 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
I do not need to show correlations are right or wrong, ...

So you can't explain the correlations.

... only what they are based on...and that is belief. Your denial is useless.

Then you better get busy and provide the evidence.

This of course, is a prime example of what should not be taught in school -- the idea that mere fantasy is valid when there is a total lack of substantiating evidence.

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Message 1192 of 1283 (842205)
10-27-2018 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Porkncheese
10-27-2018 3:28 PM


Re: The atheist biologist issue ...
My doubts lie in Atheist Biology.

Me too. I did a search for Atheist Biology on Amazon and came up with zilch.

They have this theory so, they look to try and confirm that theory. I don't like that approach.

Sorry, but you have that backwards. In science, you try to test the theory, to refute it. The results of your experiments might confirm, refute or do neither. Scientists really hate it when they find out they find out they were following a false hypothesis. Good scientists, do not want to be wrong, they want to work on theories that are best supported by evidence, because they are the best explanations of reality.

Cherry pick the data that fits and discard the rest.

Do you have an example of data (evidence) in biology being purposely discarded so an incorrect theory would be reported?

All the big wigs are Atheist.

Well, you only name one, so what? I know some that are not. Biology is not a religious subject and should not be taught in religious studies.

And these big wigs like Dawkins go around doing lectures on bashing religion. Why. Your a scientist. Stop entertaining the religious folk. Just talk science only.

I guess you must also think that religious bigwigs should never talk about science? You're a pastor, just talk religion only.

Then in an interview I heard him admit the possibility of extraterrestrial creation. Like WTF. How can I believe this guy. Unless there is a logic i can't see. If one type of creation is possible then wouldn't all types of creation be possible?

I think that was his point; there is exactly the same amount of physical evidence of creation by god as there is for creation by aliens, none.

Accepting Dawkins rhetoric is impossible given how hard it is to convince me of anything. LoL. I don't trust him. Thats why I have little faith in the theory

Well, I guess you don't realize that rhetoric about creation by Dawkins or anyone else, has absolutely nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution or biological science? When a scientist talks about religion it has no more validity than when a religious leader talks about religion. Neither religious leaders nor scientists have any convincing evidence whether there is a god. That is based on faith, not evidence.

I don't trust any religious person who claims to know anything about god, because I don't accept anything based on faith.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1193 of 1283 (842233)
10-28-2018 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by Tanypteryx
10-27-2018 4:02 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
If we do not make invisible beings visible and show them to you they do not exist. Ok. How about if anything in the universe exists, we must bring it to your bedroom?
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Message 1194 of 1283 (842234)
10-28-2018 12:37 PM
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10-27-2018 4:38 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
Correlations as you present them are easily explained. A bunch of diversionary offshoots of the same tired belief.
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Message 1195 of 1283 (842238)
10-28-2018 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1193 by creation
10-28-2018 12:35 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
If we do not make invisible beings visible and show them to you they do not exist. Ok.

You brought them up. You claim they are real. Prove it.

How about if anything in the universe exists, we must bring it to your bedroom?

Changing the subject doesn't make your fantasy real. It just proves you have nothing. So far, you look pretty silly.

The stuff we see out there in the Universe can be seen by everyone.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1196 of 1283 (842243)
10-28-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1185 by creation
10-27-2018 2:24 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
creation writes:

I would like lies to be relegated to something other than mandatory beliefs imposed by evil people.


Then stop lying. Stop letting your beliefs get in the way of the truth. Stop flaunting your ignorance and learn something.

Pick a topic and learn something. Ask questions instead of thumbing your nose.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1197 of 1283 (842280)
10-28-2018 9:16 PM
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10-28-2018 12:37 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
Correlations as you present them are easily explained. ...

By actual old age.

Age based on facts and objective empirical evidence. The kind of thing that should be taught in school, as opposed to fantasy and unfounded speculations on a magical change in nature.

No other attempt at explanation has been presented that even comes close to dealing with the correlations.

... A bunch of diversionary offshoots of the same tired belief.

And that still does not explain the correlations. It's just blather like a broken record.

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Message 1198 of 1283 (842283)
10-28-2018 11:55 PM
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10-27-2018 2:26 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
False. When spirits are included in almost all beliefs, that is compatible. The issue of what they did, and which ones were good and bad is beside the point. People teaching that they know there were no spirits are liars, and uniformed, ignorant false teachers.

So for example when you consider Mohammad's report of speaking to the Angel Gabriel and to the God of Abraham, you think this should confirm your belief in spirits?

Why? Do you think that what he claimed was true?


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Message 1199 of 1283 (842284)
10-28-2018 11:56 PM
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10-28-2018 12:37 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
Correlations as you present them are easily explained.

If it's so easily done, why don't you do it? We'll watch.


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Message 1200 of 1283 (842302)
10-29-2018 10:34 AM
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10-28-2018 11:55 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
The bible says Satan appears as an angel of light. So if some spirit calling himself Gabriel appeared to some guy, I see no problem with that.

If it had actually been Gabriel, we could tell. Every time Gabe came to earth, if I recall, it had to do with announcing the coming of One Person. Jesus.

Edited by creation, : No reason given.


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