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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Some people long to keep kids in the dark. We get it.
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Don't pretend some thesis exists. The issues you face are supporting your religion as science. ALL THE THESIS AND CLAIMS AND BELIEFS OF ALL ORIGIN SCIENCES ARE WORTHLESS RELIGION.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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creation writes: Some people long to keep kids in the dark. We get it. Some people want to teach kids religion and tell them it is science. Some people want to teach imaginary, fictional fantasies as science. Some people are uneducated boobs who should never be allowed to teach children anything, except to get a good education so people won't think you're an idiot like them.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Some people long to keep kids in the dark. We get it. Aye and more's the pity. That is the creationist approach, since they believe that keeping everyone ignorant is the only way that their religion can survive. Of course that is true of their own perverted theology, but not of other truer theologies. Everybody has heard of Sun Tzu's teaching that victory depends on knowing your enemy -- actually, you also need to know yourself which turns out to be marginally more important:
quote: If parents want their children to grow up to be effective Christian soldiers who can go forth and defeat evolution (and other sundry perceived enemies), then they should want their children to learn everything possible about those enemies. The very last thing that they should want to do would be to keep their children ignorant of what evolution actually is and actually teaches, because by doing so they would be guaranteeing not only their defeat but also greatly increasing the likelihood of their children losing their faith (the attrition rate of the fundamentalist-raised next generation is at about 80%). Keep in mind that learning subject matter does not require believing in it -- this is contrary to the fundamentalist model of education which is indoctrination for the purpose of compelling belief. For example, during the Cold War the US Air Force instructed us in Marxism and Communism. Obviously their goal was not for their airmen to turn into communists, but rather that we learn to know our enemy. As for knowing yourself, extremely few creationists do. They accept and repeat creationist claims without any understanding of those claims. Furthermore, they don't even know about let alone understand the basis of "creation science". Nor do they know the history of their claims, especially not how they were all refuted soundly decades ago. As Dr. Jonathan Sarfati of Answers in Genesis (id est, he's a young-earth creationist) described the situation:
quote: Needless to say, you are one of the far-too-many creationists who zealously embrace falsehood, so you are one of the far-too-many creationists who zealously work to destroy the faith of other Christians. And one of your tools is keeping kids in the dark. Stop it!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Don't pretend some thesis exists. The issues you face are supporting your religion as science. ALL THE THESIS AND CLAIMS AND BELIEFS OF ALL ORIGIN SCIENCES ARE WORTHLESS RELIGION. You are correct, there is no thesis to your one-trick pony ramblings. My mistake. There is also no proposed study plan to use in school. Further there is no information or question proposed to study in school. 531 posts to date, all wasted bandwidth. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Hey, if you want your kid to be a doctor does that mean you should infect him with every disease and break all his bones, and etc etc??
If you want your child to be a soldier, does that mean he or she should practice taking a bullet to the head?? If you want your child to be a nuclear scientist does that mean you should stick them in a reactor with high exposure to radiation?No. They should learn to despise lies, and treasure truth and learn the difference.
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
All study should involve truth. Your religious fables are dangerous poison for kids.
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
The fool's idea of a good education might involve teaching someone, for example, that they were not really the sex they were born with, and that there is no God and no creator. The fools might want such an education to be mandatory.
Wise men and children have to navigate through the sewage, not drink it like fools!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
All study should involve truth. Your religious fables are dangerous poison for kids.
Message 1311: They should learn to despise lies, and treasure truth and learn the difference. Seems you haven't learned what you advocate teaching children. Amusing irony. Science is not religious, nor is it fables. It is fact based conclusions Fantasies built on fact free personal opinion of biblical myths are both. Your one-trick pony keeps leaving piles of ignorant underinformed blather. Unfortunately -- for you -- it doesn't contain any evidence to support your assertions, just wasted bandwidth ... just more evidence that creationist arguments like yours are worthless drivel with no place in any school. You make a strong argument for science and fact based education by demonstrating what develops from the lack of it. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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What complete and utter blithering nonsense! Go back and actually read what I wrote and try to understand it.
Also go to YouTube and watch some videos of Gilda Radner playing Emily Litella, the old lady who would come on the SNL news show with fiery tirades against nonsensical things. Her excuse was that she was hard of hearing and misunderstood something she heard in the news. What's your excuse? If you are going to oppose something, then at the very least try to learn something about it! You can never win if you only argue out of complete ignorance. At the very least, you need to know what you are fighting. Otherwise, you are nothing but a blithering idiot who does far more to discredit his silly god than to serve it (why silly? Because that is how you present it to be).
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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creation writes: The fool's idea of a good education might involve teaching someone, for example, that they were not really the sex they were born with What does this have to do with teaching evolution and religion in school? I have never heard about anyone who advocates that.
creation writes: and that there is no God and no creator. I have never heard about anyone who advocates that.
creation writes: The fools might want such an education to be mandatory. I have never heard about anyone who advocates that.
creation writes: Wise men and children have to navigate through the sewage, not drink it like fools! Thankfully, your sewage is not allowed in public schools.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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creation writes: Luckily for for me I was never taught anything like that. Where I'm from sex education was not high on the priority list. It was avoided. The Calvinistic God was taught, though. But nowhere mentioned in any science classes.
The fool's idea of a good education might involve teaching someone, for example, that they were not really the sex they were born with, and that there is no God and no creator. The fools might want such an education to be mandatory.
creation writes: I was taught to avoid swimming in sewage. They taught me well. Germ theory and all that. No Gods mentioned. Wise men and children have to navigate through the sewage, not drink it like fools! Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
There is no fact to origin science models. One of the earmarks of your religion, by the way, is denying you have a religion!!
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You can call sewage perfume if you like.
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creation Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Get out more. Maybe you'll hear about things.
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