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Message 583 of 607 (584832)
10-04-2010 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 581 by ringo
10-04-2010 11:44 AM


Re: Point
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
ICANT writes:
What I think has nothing to do with the question I asked.
You made the statement that Genesis 5:1 refered to the account in Genesis 1:27.
How do you know Genesis 5:1 refers to the account in Genesis 1:27?
I didn't ask you what you think. I asked you how you or anybody else can tell whether characters in different accounts are the same or different. Have you thought about that at all? If you can answer my question about Jesus and Paul, you'll have the answer to your question about Adam. If you can't answer my question, we can go slower.
The only thing or person that can answer the question I asked you is you.
If you can't or won't answer the question we are done.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 584 of 607 (584838)
10-04-2010 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by jar
10-04-2010 11:46 AM


Re: Point
Hi jar,
jar writes:
The account in Genesis 5 does NOT refer to anything in Genesis 1 since the story that is in Genesis 1 was written hundreds if not thousands of years after the story in Genesis 5.
They are totally different fictional accounts.
jar I know that is your opinion you have stated it enough times.
Your opinion has absolutuly nothing to do with what is stated in the OP. Message 1
ICANT writes:
In this thread I will affirm that there are 2 creations presented in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.
In this thread the KJV, LXX and Hebrew text will be used.
The Bible will be the final authority as that is what we will be discussing.
Now if you want to refute what the text says please do.
Just remember your opinion does not refute what is written as that is what I am discussing in this thread.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 588 of 607 (584869)
10-04-2010 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by purpledawn
10-04-2010 12:25 PM


Re: The Meaning of Day - The Rerun
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes:
Not really. The Bible doesn't say "back in the day". That is an English phrase. Our attempt is to show you that the English word day can be singular but relate to an unspecified period of time and not a single or literal day.
You are trying to convince me that a single day can be an extended number of days.
The Hebrew word אחד is singular and can only mean a single light period or a single light period combined with a single dark period.
That is the definition given in Genesis:
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The light period was called day.
The light period and the dark period was called day one.
There were no day or days that preceded day one.
You are trying to apply your present day understanding to a 3500 year old Hebrew word.
purpledawn writes:
The word yom in the Genesis 1 story is a 24 hour day. I have no more to add to that. Neither story supports your theory without adding to the stories and redefining words.
Where have I re-defined יןם ?
I define יןם
as a light period or a light period and a dark period.
That is what God defined it as.
The dictionary defines day:
qs1a : the time of light between one night and the next b : daylight 1 c : daytime
2: the period of rotation of a planet (as earth) or a moon on its axis [/qs] Source
purpledawn writes:
Genesis 2:4 is not saying that everything was done in a single day. The use of yom in that sentence is not literal.
Why do you believe it to be literal in Genesis 1:8 and not in Genesis 2:4?
Your reference to Dr. Hasel's article you refered too is an article by one man and is one man's opinion.
It is not necessarly the opinion of scholars as you state I am saying are wrong.
purpledawn writes:
Almost 600 messages and the same discussion is just being repeated.
Until you or someone can convince me that Genesis 1:5 does not say that a light period is day and a light period combined with a dark period is day I will keep repeating the same material as there is nothing else to state.
Your source states:
Let us note these criteria as they are employed in Genesis 2:4. The noun yom is joined to the preposition be to read beyom. Secondly, it is used in a construct relation with the infinitive form of ‘asah, "to make." It reads literally, "in the day of making."
ביןם in Genesis 2:4 refers to the day (light period) in which God created the heaven and the earth that had ended at Genesis 1:2. The making refers to things that took place in Genesis 1:3, 4, 5.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 589 of 607 (584872)
10-04-2010 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by ringo
10-04-2010 12:41 PM


Re: Point
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I have answered the question. If you're not prepared to answer the question I asked you, it's clear that you don't understand my answer.
One more time, the reason for thinking that the same character, Adam, is referred to in Genesis 1 and Genesis 5 is the same as the reason for thinking that the character Jesus referred to in Matthew is the same character Jesus referred to in Mark, Luke and John. If you thought about my question honestly, you'd have the answer to your question.
Well the simplest answer is that the man Jesus is mentioned in the four gospels.
The man created in the image/likeness of God in Genesis 1:27 is never called Adam or anyother name.
So I ask the question one more time.
How do you know Genesis 5:1 refers to the account in Genesis 1:27?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 590 of 607 (584874)
10-04-2010 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by jar
10-04-2010 12:27 PM


Re: Point
Hi jar,
jar writes:
But I am using the Bible,
I don't see any text from the Bible to support your assertions.
All I see is the assertion of your opinion of the sourse of the material we have in the Bible.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 593 of 607 (584896)
10-04-2010 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 591 by ringo
10-04-2010 2:05 PM


Re: Point
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
As I did point out, the Hebrew word adam is used for "man" in Genesis 1:27. Same word, same man.
What Hebrew word has the meaning of Adam?
The Hebrew word אדם
means man or mankind. Source
Now if you disagree with the Hebrew lexicon write your own, or produce one that defines אדם as Adam a proper name.
There was a אדם formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7.
There was a אדם created in the image/likeness of God in Genesis 1:27.
I ask again:
How do you know Genesis 5:1 refers to the account in Genesis 1:27?
There is a way to know without a doubt.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 596 of 607 (584908)
10-04-2010 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by purpledawn
10-04-2010 2:14 PM


Re: The Meaning of Day - The Rerun
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes:
I don't have a problem with yom referring to the the light period, which is daylight and varies depending on where one lives, but it doesn't last over 24 hours. I also don't have a problem with a period of light followed by a period of dark or vice versa as referring to a day. This also is not longer than 24 hours.
Now if I take the literal word that is written the light period mentioned in Genesis 2:4 that the heaven and the earth came into existence in lasted from the beginning whenever that was until the evening we find in Genesis 1:2. What was the duration of that evening until verse and the events iuntil verse 5 is unknown.
God called that first light period and the first dark period day one. Which there was no days before that day.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
There is no way to determine the length of the light period and the dark period that was declared day one.
This was the beginning of time as we know it that is measured by the rotation of the earth in relationship to the sun.
Every day mention in the following verses is composed of almost 24 hours, and all following days until today.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 598 of 607 (585366)
10-07-2010 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by jar
10-04-2010 5:44 PM


Re: Point
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Perhaps because we are not arguing over what the text itself says but rather YOUR interpretation of what the text means.
You are right we are not arguing over what the text itself says.
Your first post to me in Message 569 the entire post said:
jar writes:
Nonsense. It's unlikely Moses even existed much less wrote anything.
What does that have to do with what is written in the text?
In Message 582 your entire post said:
jar writes:
I believe he said they both refer to the same event.
The account in Genesis 5 does NOT refer to anything in Genesis 1 since the story that is in Genesis 1 was written hundreds if not thousands of years after the story in Genesis 5.
They are totally different fictional accounts.
A jar assertion with no evidence or argumentation.
In Message 586 the entire post said:
jar writes:
But I am using the Bible, just pointing out its inconsistencies, inaccuracies and outright fallacies. The explanation that I present, that the stories are simply written by different authors at different times to serve different purposes and have been edited, redacted, modified and revised is certainly as valid as the totally silly and quite frankly absurd explanation you present.
Those reading the thread will be able to make their own judgment about who's explanation makes more sense and is
more likely.
Here you say you are using the Bible when you are abusing it with your assertions that it is false.
You did make one other post to ringo in Message 565 which said:
jar writes:
Also the authors of Genesis 1 had access to all the stories written before them. And then the editors had all the scrolls. And then the redactors had access to all the edited scrolls. And then the Committees of Canon had access to all the edited scrolls and made their own breaks, redaction and edits. And the translators had access to all the edited and redacted books.
It was easy to steal the ideas of an earlier author and just claim that "God did it".
Including the post I am replying to that is the extent of your contribution to this thread.
Now I have affirmed throughout this thread that the text of the KJV Bible records 2 different stories. One in chapter 1:2-2:3 and another beginning at 2:4-4:24.
Anything else I presented I presented text as support.
You have yet to present an argument to refute anything I presented in this thread.
All you have done is present your usual jar proclamations. They are fine from your pulpit but don't expect me to accept them.
If you want to refute anything as per the OP please do.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 600 of 607 (585380)
10-07-2010 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 594 by ringo
10-04-2010 3:03 PM


Re: Point
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Your own source defines adam as "3. Adam, first man".
It tells you adam is the transliteration of the Hebrew word אדם then lists it as the third definition.
It is a mis-transliteration of the Hebrew word not a definition of the Hebrew word.
The word Adam did not exist in the text until the English language began to exist and the Hebrew text was translated into English.
The English word Adam is a proper name.
ringo writes:
So why would you make a fundamental distinction between the same word adam and Adam?
Because adam is not the definition of the Hebrew word אדם.
If it was the definition instead of a mis-transliteration then I would accept it as a proper name. The true transliteration is adm.
It was applied as a proper name by the translaters even in places where האדם could not be transliterated as adm. This Hebrew word can only be transliterated as hadm.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 602 of 607 (585393)
10-07-2010 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 599 by jar
10-07-2010 6:45 PM


Re: Point
Hi jar,
That's better.
jar writes:
First, what you propose is absolute nonsense.
Maybe, maybe not, that remains to be seen.
jar writes:
Stop and think. Two creations? Genesis 2 at least Genesis 5 talking about two creations?
ABE Genesis 5:1 is talking about the man created in the image/likeness of God.
There is only three verses in the first five chapters of Genesis where the Hebrew word ברא is used.
Genesis 1:1, Heaven and Earth
Verse 21, sea monsters translated great whales.
Verse 27, mankind, male and female.
Nothing else is said to be created.
So there is not two different creation stories, there is two different stories about the beginning.
jar writes:
We know that the physical evidence says your idea is just nuts,
Please present that physical evidence.
jar writes:
Well there seems to be two different understandings, one that tries somehow to make the two stories mesh together,
Yes this is the prominent view that took hold in the 60's. It is what I was always refered to when I presented my view.
The story in chapter one is the creation and the continued story in chapter two just explains more about man and his role.
jar writes:
but the other very common one is that they are two stories from two different customs.
I agree there are two different stories about two different events with a great span of duration between them. I just believe there is a different reason than different customs.
jar writes:
My position is not unusual and is in fact very common and well supported.
I am very familar with the belief that the Bible is not the inspired Word of God, and that it is just the musings of men.
jar writes:
The question of authorship of the different stories is not new, going back at least to Abraham ibn Ezra almost a thousand years ago.
A thousand years prior to that Jesus did not have a problem with who wrote the texts.
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Jesus thought Moses existed and did write.
Do you even believe in Jesus?
jar writes:
So there are two essential issues I can see.
One is that your concept is factually wrong, absurd and nothing but fantasy.
Well your assertions are not going to convince me my concept is factually wrong.
Present the evidence.
jar writes:
Second, theologically there is NO support for your interpretation.
As long as the text supports my concept I don't care if the theologians agree with me or not.
I stated in the OP Message 1 I said:
ICANT writes:
In this thread I will affirm that there are 2 creations presented in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.
In this thread the KJV, LXX and Hebrew text will be used.
The Bible will be the final authority as that is what we will be discussing.
I will start the discussion with Genesis 1:1
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
When was the beginning?
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
When was the day God created the Heaven and the Earth?
Genesis 2:4 says these things are the generations of the Heaven and the Earth whenever God created them.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
For the earth to be without form and void of life it had to exist.
Heaven had to exist as the Earth is in the Heaven.
So before the darkness of Genesis 1:2 the Heaven and the Earth existed at evening.
Do you disagree that the text says what I have presented?
If you do please explain what is wrong.
Remember it makes no difference who wrote it, or whether it is true or false. Whether it is facts or allagory.
The only thing that matters is whether it is recorded in the KJV Bible.
If you have a question about the definition of day it is recorded in:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God called light day.
God called darkness night.
God called a combination of light and darkness day.
God said the evening of the light period and the dark period that ended with morning was day one.
There was no day before day one.
Please feel free to show me where the KJV Bible does not say the things I have presented.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : ABE line

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Message 606 of 607 (585422)
10-08-2010 9:27 AM


Summary
Hi Contributors,
In Message 1 I said:
ICANT writes:
In this thread I will affirm that there are 2 creations presented in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.
In this thread the KJV, LXX and Hebrew text will be used.
The Bible will be the final authority as that is what we will be discussing.
I will start the discussion with Genesis 1:1
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This is a declarative statement of completed action.
I do not know when the beginning was.
All I know is in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and it was a completed product there was nothing that had to be created as God had created it to be inhabited.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.
The Hebrew word tohuw translated vain here is the same word used in Genesis 1:2 describing the condition of the earth at that time.
Therefore Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 does not explain what took place in Genesis 1:1.
In Message 70 I said:
ICANT writes:
What difference does it make Whether the Bible is the literal word of God or not to the affirmations I made in the OP?
In this thread I am not affirming the Bible being the literal word of God.
I am affirming there is a creation story in Genesis 1:2-31.
I am affirming there is a creation story in Genesis chapter 2.
As recorded in the KJV Bible and supported by the LXX, and Hebrew text.
ICANT writes:
I know from verse 1 the heaven and the earth was (bara) created.
I know from verse 2 it had become uninhabitable as it was covered with water.
I know from verse 3 God caused light to be on the earth. It says nothing about Him (bara) creating the light. He just made it visible.
I know from verse 4 God divided the light from the darkness. It was dark on half of the earth and light on the other half of the earth.
I know from verse 5 God called the light day and the darkness night. It also tells me a light period and a dark period equals one day.
The light period of Genesis 1:1 and the dark period that ended with the light period of the second day was declared the first day.
I know from verse 6, 7, and 8 that God separated the waters from the uplifted waters and called that atmosphere heaven. This is where the birds and our airplanes fly.
I know from verse 8 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the first day and ended with the light period of the third day was the second day.
I know from verse 9 that God caused all the water to gather in one place and let dry land appear as it is shown in my avatar.
I know from verse 10 that God called the dry land earth and the water sea.
So far nothing has been created only rearranged.
I know from verse 11 that God had the earth bring forth grass, herbs, and fruit trees, from their seed which was upon the earth.
I know from verse 12 that the earth obeyed and produced grass, herbs, and fruit trees.
I know from verse 13 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the second day and ended with the light period of the fourth day was the third day.
I know from verse 14 and 15 that God caused visible lights in the heavens to be for signs and seasons, days and years and to give light upon the earth.
I know from verse 16, 17 and 18 that God caused two great lights to be visible on earth one to rule the day and one to rule the night. He also caused the stars to be visible on earth.
Still nothing has been (bara) created they were only made visible on earth.
I know from verse 19 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the third day and ended with the light period of the fifth day was the fourth day.
I know from verse 20 that God caused the waters to bring forth water creatures and fowl to fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Still nothing (bara) created.
I know from verse 21 that God (bara) created great whales.
The first thing created that was not created in Genesis 1:1.
I know from verse 22 that God blessed them and told them to multiply and fill the waters and the fowl to multiply on the earth.
I know from verse 23 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the fourth day and ended with the light period of the sixth day was the fifth day.
I know from verse 24 and 25 God called the living creature, cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind. That means they had already existed to come forth after their kind.
I know from verse 26 and 27 that God (bara) created mankind in His image male and female He created them. Did He create 2 or a thousand there is no way to know as the scripture does not say. He gave mankind dominion over the creatures on earth.
I know from verse 28 God blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it.
I know from verse 29 that God told them they could eat of every herb bearing seed and every tree that yielded fruit with a seed. No fruit of any tree was forbidden to mankind.
I know from verse 30 that the fowl of the air and every thing that creepeth on the earth that every green herb was given for meat.
I know from verse 31 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the fifth day and ended with the light period of the seventh day was the sixth day.
I am affirming these things are written in Genesis chapter 1 in the KJV Bible, supported by the Lxx, and the Hebrew texts.
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
I am affirming the following creation story took place and is recorded in Genesis chapter 2.
ICANT writes:
Moses writes:
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
I know from this verse that the following things are the history of the creation of the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1:1.
I know from Genesis 1:1 That the heaven and the earth was created in the beginning. It was already in existence when Genesis 1:2 took place. Therefore it was not created during the 6 days described in Genesis 1:2-31.
Verse 4 of chapter 2 is the beginning of the history of what happened in the day (light period) the heaven and the earth was created.
I know from verse 5 there was no life on earth. There was no man, plant, tree, or herb of the field and it had not rained on the earth.
I know from verse 6 God caused the earth to be water from a mist that came from underground.
I know from verse 7 the first life form on earth was man that God formed a man of the dust of the ground.
I also know God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and that man became a living being.
I know from verse 8 Eden existed and God planted a garden eastward in Eden. God then put the man in this garden.
I know from verse 9 God caused every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food to grow. He also provided the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
I know from verse 10 that a river went out of Eden to water the garden. After watering the garden it divided into 4 rivers.
I know from verses 11-14 some information about these rivers. I don't know the purpose of these verses.
I know from verse 15 that God gave the man He had formed from the dust of the ground a job. He was to dress the garden and keep it.
I know from verses 16 and 17 that the man was told he could eat of every tree of the garden except he could not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
I also know that he was told if he did eat of that tree he would die the same day. It does not say if God explained what death was but since God is just He had to explain it to the man.
I know from verse 18 God said it was not good for man to be alone and He said He would make him an help meet.
I know from verse 19 God formed every animal and every fowl from the ground. He then brought them to the man to see what he would call them.
I know from verse 20 the man gave names to all cattle, all fowl, and the beast of the field. But God had not made a help meet for the man yet.
I know from verse 21 God removed a rib from the man.
I know from verse 22 God cloned a woman from the rib He had taken from the man, and brought her to him.
That concluded the creation events recorded in this history. But there is much history left.
I know from verse 23 that the man said this is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh and that she would be called woman.
I know from verse 24 the man said because of this man will leave home and cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh.
I know from verse 25 they were naked and were not ashamed. They lived in perfect inn once.
I know at this time there had been no water creatures created.
I know at this time there is no mention of seas.
I know that this is the record of what happened in Genesis 1:1 as Genesis 2:4 declares that it is.
I am affirming these things are written in Genesis chapter 2 in the KJV Bible, supported by the Lxx, and the Hebrew texts.
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
I am prepared to defend my affirmations.
I am still prepared to defend my affirmations, should anyone care to rebutt them in another thread.
There was many side tracks in the thread.
Peg, ringo and others tried to tell me that יןם was something other than what God declared it to be in Genesis 1:5.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God declared a period of light as יןם
God declared a period of light combined with a period of darkness as יןם day one.
ringo has tried to convince me that אדם is a proper English name.
But the Hebrew word There are 3 letters in the Hebrew word אדם
א A (Alef)
ד..D (Dalet)
ם....M (Final Mem)
The transliteration of the text is adm.
This is the Hebrew word used in Genesis 5:1 it is the second word in the second line of the Hebrew text found Here Right side.
You can find the Alphabet Here
The Hebrew word used in Genesis 1:27 adds the ב
ב (He)
א A (Alef)
ד..D (Dalet)
ם....M (Final Mem)
The transliteration of the text is hadm.
You can find the Hebrew text Here.
Here the word is the first combined word in the second line. Right side.
Here the word translated man has the את prefix that is the 1) sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative.
Everybody likes to tell me I am wrong but in 605 posts nobody even tried to present any rebuttal to my affirmations.
They did tell me I was wrong and gave a lot of opinions on why I was wrong.
Now I invite anyone to start a thread and rebut what I affirmed Here in this thread.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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