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onifre
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Message 47 of 98 (560008)
05-12-2010 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Pauline
05-11-2010 7:48 PM


1. Why am I here/ Why is the world here?
These seem like ego-centric questions. Why is Sirius out there? Why are 1000's of galaxies billions of light years away? --- Is there any difference in those questions?
The world is here because its not over there. You are here because your parents reproduced you. Millions of humans don't get a chance to be born, millions do...no point to any of it. Just be lucky you are here.
3. Is there an unseen world out there?
There are probably billions of unseen planets out "there."
4. How can we know anything about an unseen world?
Technology...
5. Who is the greatest authority?
In my house it was my dad...but secretly we knew it was my mother.
6. How do we define God?
Anyway you want. It is a personal choice so there is no wrong answer. Yours could be Jesus, some else's could be an invisible unicorn...mine in particular is name George Carlin.
8. Are there ways to test the existence of God
Since it's a personal choice as to who or what god is to the individual, there would be an infinite amount of god/s and thus a never ending ambiguity.
Testing at that point seems trivial. Belief & faith is all that matters.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 56 of 98 (560200)
05-13-2010 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Pauline
05-13-2010 5:29 PM


Re: Preface to the transition into stage 2 of our discussion...
Uhh....no. We're talking about a supernatural world here.
But your question was: 4. How can we know anything about an unseen world? My answer followed that question. World, like earth, is a planet.
You even agree in your reply:
quote:
We can use technology to verify out beliefs about an unseen world
Now if your question has changed to, How can we know anything about a supernatural world? I would ask you to define what you mean by "supernatural," and in what context are you using the word "world."
Because frankly the question IMO is nonsensical. Asking, "How can you know something about an (unseen) supernatural world?" begs the question that, if you know can see it how can you ever know anything about it?
You said:
quote:
By unseen I mean physically undetectable
Then it doesn't exist. All you can do is claim it does, provide evidence to support the claim and hope that the evidence convinces everyone. After reading this whole post, I see no evidence to support the possibility of it existing.
Uhhh, that's your idol, Onifre ; Don't confuse him with whom we universally call God
How dare you good sir!
From your link:
quote:
Conceptions of God held by individual believers vary so widely that there is no clear consensus on the nature of God
I believe this leaves an open field of possibilities. Lets not forget that Jesus (I assume your concept of god) was man in the flesh, just like Carlin as far as my beliefs go.
Now, if you can prove how Carlin doesn't qualify as a god I'd like to hear it. Just recognize that the very arguments you'll use to disprove my god concept are the same used to disprove yours.
Too many concepts, too much ambiguity, there is no need for proof. Just have faith and believe in his existence.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 58 of 98 (560247)
05-13-2010 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Pauline
05-13-2010 11:18 PM


Re: Stage 2
God is That Than Which No Greater Can Be Conceived
Funny, that's the same definition I have for the universe. Kinda leaves your god out.
The rest of your post is discussed in other threads.
- Oni

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