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Author Topic:   Ignorant, stupid or insane? (Or maybe wicked?)
BarackZero
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Message 46 of 89 (585961)
10-10-2010 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by hooah212002
08-19-2010 6:52 PM


hooah:
[What's wrong with not believing in evolution?]
Because it's not a belief.
BarackZero:
So YOU say. Anyone who does not subscribe to YOUR belief doesn't have a belief. Clever wordplay that is.
Hooah again: Not accepting a particular theory is one thing. To blindly assert that it is absolutely false, fight against it, all the while not properly refuting it, is wrong. Ignoring facts when they go against your actual beliefs, is wrong. That is where the ignorant/insane/stupid labels are applied. If you don't understand something, learn about it. Don't just deny that it is factual because you don't want to learn.
BarackZero responds:
Has it EVER occurred to any Darwinist here (and I use that term "Darwinist" loosely, as in a bowel movement) that one can understand perfectly well the extraordinarily (if you folks are to be believed) complex two-step process of random mutation, followed by selection, and not swallow it whole?
Did that ever occur to any of you? Even once?
I thought not.
"Ignorant/insane/stupid labels" are applied because of the boundless intolerance, the stifling hatred, the insufferable arrogance exhibited from Dawkins down.
You Dawkinsists COULD talk to people in a civil manner.
You COULD exhibit some of the sophistication, some of the worldliness and tolerance you're always claiming for yourselves, but no, you prefer to deal in "ignorant/insane/stupid labels."
All the time.
People on your side who do so should be studiously ignored.
It is difficult when there are so very many of you, and when you do not begin to condemn anyone on your own side of the aisle, no matter how egregious, how despicable are his comments.
Take "wiping Al Gore's ass" Omnivorous, please.

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BarackZero
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Message 84 of 89 (595743)
12-10-2010 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
10-15-2010 11:56 AM


ringo:
quote:
I don't think you do. It isn't a choice so much as acknowledging the elephant in the room. It isn't a matter of wanting a "substitute" for religion. On the contrary, religion has always been a substitute for real knowledge.
"Religion has always been a substitute for real knowledge."
This is the Biggest of the Big Lies touted by atheists, by far.
Galileo was a devout Catholic.
Galileo Galilei (Italian pronunciation: [ɡaliˈlɛːo ɡaliˈlɛi]; 15 February 1564[4] — 8 January 1642),[1][5] commonly known as Galileo, was an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer and philosopher who played a major role in the Scientific Revolution. His achievements include improvements to the telescope and consequent astronomical observations, and support for Copernicanism. Galileo has been called the "father of modern observational astronomy",[6] the "father of modern physics",[7] the "father of science",[7] and "the Father of Modern Science".[8] Stephen Hawking says, "Galileo, perhaps more than any other single person, was responsible for the birth of modern science."[9]
Does this sound to you like "a substitute for real knowledge"?
Copernicus was a Catholic priest.
Nicolaus Copernicus (Polish: Mikołaj Kopernik; German: Nikolaus Kopernikus; in his youth, Niclas Koppernigk;[1] Italian: Nicol Copernico; 19 February 1473 — 24 May 1543) was a Renaissance astronomer, priest[2][3][4] and the first person to formulate a comprehensive heliocentric cosmology, which displaced the Earth from the center of the universe.[5]
Copernicus' epochal book, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres), published just before his death in 1543, is often regarded as the starting point of modern astronomy and the defining epiphany that began the scientific revolution. His heliocentric model, with the Sun at the center of the universe, demonstrated that the observed motions of celestial objects can be explained without putting Earth at rest in the center of the universe. His work stimulated further scientific investigations, becoming a landmark in the history of science that is often referred to as the Copernican Revolution.
Was the Copernican Revolution "a substitute for real knowledge"?
Isaac Newton penned "the most important scientific book ever written".
Does that sound to you like "a substitute for real knowledge"?
Sir Isaac Newton FRS (4 January 1643 — 31 March 1727 [OS: 25 December 1642 — 20 March 1726])[1] was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and theologian, and is considered by many scholars and members of the general public to be one of the most influential people in human history. His Philosophi Naturalis Principia Mathematica (Latin for "Mathematical Principles Of Natural Philosophy"; usually called the Principia), published in 1687, is probably the most important scientific book ever written. It lays the groundwork for most of classical mechanics. In this work, Newton described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion, which dominated the scientific view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. Newton showed that the motions of objects on Earth and of celestial bodies are governed by the same set of natural laws, by demonstrating the consistency between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and his theory of gravitation; thus removing the last doubts about heliocentrism and advancing the Scientific Revolution.
One day as Newton was turning his model of the solar system, an atheist friend of his came into Newton's workshop and marveled at the beautiful planets turning under Newton's guidance.
"Did you build that?" he asked Newton.
Newton replied, "No it built itself."
Now we may expect the excuses from the godless set that these scholars were all Christians, men of God, because that was virtually a necessity back then. But this begs the question of religion being antithetical to "real knowledge." Moreover, there are hundreds of millions of enlightened Christians today. That a disproportionate number of scholars have been brainwashed by the liberal public education system in no way establishes the pretenses of the godless left's claim to exclusive rights to "real knowledge" as opposed to what I suppose ringo would characterize as "unreal knowledge."
Truth and knowledge are not functions of how many people comprehend them. As S. Fred Singer says in his book, Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years :
"Galileo may have been the only man of his day who believed the earth revolved around the sun, but he was right! "

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BarackZero
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Message 85 of 89 (595746)
12-10-2010 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by hooah212002
10-15-2010 1:13 PM


Re: Evidence please
hooah212002:
quote:
The only disrespect I see is for people who are seriously mentally challenged. The christians who don't just start spouting off at the mouth about dumb shit have no problems. You seem to actually be interested in civil discourse, so you shouldn't have a problem. For example: check out Slevesque (who is ALSO an administrator), GDR, purpledawn (also an admin) and iano, for example. Those three are all theists to some degree and do not receive any harsh treatment and have all been here for some time.
And you, sir, clearly are not "interested in civil discourse."
Had any newly arrived poster laced his message with vulgarities and ignorant condemnation such as you wrote, he would be attacked wholesale by scores of members here, if not banned for trolling. But you get away with it on the basis of, what, being a card-carrying atheist?
Your definition of being "seriously mentally challenged" is anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Moreover, they had better treat you with respect, and no profanity, otherwise it's curtains.
Now on to the topic of ignorance, stupidity, insanity, and wickedness as bantered endlessly by the very hateful, very arrogant and condescending socialist, Richard Dawkins.
People can, and have every right, to ask questions, even pointed questions regarding the mechanisms of macroevolution. Questioning things is in fact the essence of science, except in the domains of macroevolution (which you of course lump in to the overall term "evolution") and global warming, recently converted to the more politically correct "climate change."
But proponents of macroevolution, and for that matter, "climate change," contend that the slightest doubt, the slightest questioning of any mechanism or dogma must be refuted in the most arrogant, most dismissive, most militant way possible.
Such intolerance, and in your case, such profanity and hostility, are out of line. That so few on your side of the aisle have the guts to challenge your crudeness and anti-intellectualism is a great embarrassment to the forum claim of "Understanding through Discussion."
The group conduct makes this an absolute lie.
quote:
10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.
Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach.
-- Encylopedia Brittanica, on debate
Does any of you think that referring to others as "seriously mentally challenged" is "abusive, harassing, needling, hectoring, or goading"? Any of you?
Is it "cooly academic" to use vulgar words as Mister Hooah did above? If so, please provide just two or three links to academic papers or presentations made at conferences using the same profanities Hooah uses above.
Edited by BarackZero, : No reason given.

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