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nwr
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Message 71 of 153 (590180)
11-06-2010 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Stephen Push
11-06-2010 2:00 PM


Re: Animal Cognition & Consciousness
shadow71 writes:
If this link doesn't work, ...
It doesn't. Try the following:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://courses2.cit.cornell.edu/bionb221/WIM/resources/Cristol%20et%20al%20(1997)%20-%20Crows%20do%20not%20use%20automobiles%20as%20nutcrackers%20-%20Putting%20an%20anecdote%20to%20the%20test.pdf
What I used there was [url]the_link_in_full[/url] which usually works better for complex urls.
Even better is to use [url=the_link_in_full]short name[/url] which normally works without blowing the margins.
Edited by nwr, : typo

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Message 129 of 153 (596501)
12-15-2010 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Livingstone Morford
12-14-2010 6:49 PM


Livingstone Morford writes:
Whether or not genetic equidistance is the result of epigenetic complexity of organisms or whether it is the result of genetic drift et al.
I'm not a biologist, but it sure seems pretty obvious that it is the result of genetic change, rather than epigenetics. The measurement of genetic distance is done by comparing protein structure of different species, and the protein structure is encoded in the DNA.
Livingstone Morford writes:
I argue for the former.
You didn't actually argue anything. You just asserted.
If you believe that you have a good argument, start a thread on the question. I expect that the biologist members will be be able to refute your argument in pretty short order.

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Message 139 of 153 (596617)
12-15-2010 10:13 PM
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12-15-2010 7:30 PM


Livingstone Morford writes:
how do we know that this phenomenon is the result of the amount of time that has lapsed since the divergence of two organisms, or whether it is the result of the epigenetic complexity of the organisms imposing a restraint on the number of mutations tolerated in a given protein, since as time progresses, the number of cell types increases.
It is my impression that genetic distance is usually measured on proteins that are particularly unlikely to be affected by the kind of influences that you suggest.

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