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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
When I use the Search facility, the software "helpfully" sets the Search Forum or Category field to whatever forum I was looking at when I clicked on Search.
But this is never what I want it to do. I always want to search all open forums, and this should be the default setting. I've communicated this irritation to Percy by private message, and he said that I should start a thread about it, so here it is. Does anyone not find this feature of the software utterly annoying? If there is one single poster who finds this useful and convenient, then let them speak up.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi DrA
Does anyone not find this feature of the software utterly annoying? I generally use google site first site:http://www.evcforum.net - Google Search I have it bookmarked to use, just needing to add my particular search item to the box. Modulus made a little plugin code to embed it into the search box on firefox, see Message 13. This works especially well if you remember a specific phase that you want to find, Like "the thirteen clocks" as you can put the phrase in quotes to find it. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Advantages of EvC's native search over Google:
By default EvC orders the search results in reverse chronological order. Google can do the same, but you have to select a date ordered search first.
RAZD writes: This works especially well if you remember a specific phase that you want to find, Like "the thirteen clocks" as you can put the phrase in quotes to find it. Phrases work with the native search facility, as does wildcarding, e.g., "dog*" will find both dog and dogmatic. You can also make searches conditional. For example, "|Percy |RAZD" will find all messages that contain either Percy or RAZD or both. I'd prefer to be able to say "Percy | RAZD", and that will eventually happen, but that takes more parser work, and as I often say, there's only one of me. Upcoming feature: display the found text in a different color or with a different background color. Then hook it into an incremental search facility that positions the page at each instance of found text in sequence. Another upcoming feature: ability to select the sort order for search results. Currently only reverse chronological is done, but in the future you'll be able to sort by author, subject, thread, forum, etc. I should add that there's no schedule for these improvements. I'm currently in the midst of productization of the board software with its current feature set.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I never use the search function and always just use google site search.
At first I was thinking you could just drop the search function altogether, but the upcomming features you mentioned have changed my mind. Especially the sort functions. It would also be awesome if the All Topics page could be sorted by forum and author!
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3478 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I don't have a problem with it. I usually just search the religious forums or the forum I'm in. When it is searching all open forums, I don't have much luck finding what I want without narrowing the choices. Since the science side uses a lot of the religious phrases I may be searching for, it clutters up my search. That's why I have to narrow it down to the forums or titles. I haven't reached the point of being too lazy to use a few more clicks to find what I need. Scripture is like Newton’s third law of motionfor every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, for every biblical directive that exists, there is another scriptural mandate challenging it. -- Carlene Cross in The Bible and Newton’s Third Law of Motion
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I haven't reached the point of being too lazy to use a few more clicks to find what I need. Ouch.The doc may suffer some bruising from that shot. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
purpledawn writes: I haven't reached the point of being too lazy to use a few more clicks to find what I need. Just to be clear about my own position, I'm fully in favor of click reduction, it just isn't always obvious how best to achieve it for the most people. The question I'm most interested in answering is whether a majority prefer a default of "All Forums" or of "The Forum I'm in Now." (If you're not on a forum specific page then the default is already "All Forums".)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I haven't reached the point of being too lazy to use a few more clicks to find what I need. It's not that so much as that it's annoying when I forget that I need to change it and run a search that I don't actually want to do.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
It's not that so much as that it's annoying when I forget that I need to change it and run a search that I don't actually want to do. Absolutely. I've done that several times. I would be in favour of seeing it changed to "All Forums" as default, if Percy can find the time. Mutate and Survive
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3478 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
When I do use an "all forums" search or a forum other than the one I'm in, I have another tab open to the All Topics page. Then I adjust the needs accordingly.
It doesn't annoy me either way. If I have the wrong one in, I adjust and have it search again. So I guess I don't have a strong vote either way. Not really an annoyance for me if you switch. Scripture is like Newton’s third law of motionfor every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, for every biblical directive that exists, there is another scriptural mandate challenging it. -- Carlene Cross in The Bible and Newton’s Third Law of Motion
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Iblis Member (Idle past 3916 days) Posts: 663 Joined: |
whether a majority prefer a default of "All Forums" or of "The Forum I'm in Now." If we are voting, I'm firmly with Dr. A ... Let's walk through a couple of examples. Suppose you are looking for the point where Buzsaw already learned something about cosmology that seems to have slipped his mind again. You might logically assume that all this would be happening in Big Bang Cosmology. But noooo, you are in a Flud thread and it happened in Bible Study. Or again, suppose you are looking for an awesome summary Modulous once gave of "bubble evolution". Yes, this very likely is in Abiogenesis somewhere, but you aren't, you are In The News trying to slap off trolls. Numerous such cases outweigh any normal logic. Default should be "All Forums".
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Iblis writes: If we are voting... Yeah, you're voting. I'll change the default to "All Forums" when I make the other search related changes if that's the way it comes down in this thread. Edited by Admin, : Change author.
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CosmicChimp Member Posts: 311 From: Muenchen Bayern Deutschland Joined: |
I'm in favor of this as well. =)
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
...I'm fully in favor of click reduction... Come on now - Some of us can use all the exercise we can get. AM
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
This search issue has been addressed.
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