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IamJoseph
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Message 106 of 129 (625385)
07-22-2011 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Taq
07-22-2011 3:22 PM


quote:
1. Creationism [genesis]. A universe with a universe maker.
2. Everything else.

You claimed that creationism was scientific, so I will make my request once again.

Please show us a peer reviewed scientific paper where this POV was used as part of a research program.


Its very simple to answer, and sorry to bust your bubble. I would nominate the lack of any scientific peer paper based on any scientific research which can offer any alternative.

The flat earth was not abandoned because Galeleo said so - it had tio be proven as false. This obligation remains on the scientific community to dispell Creationism. When this happens I will have no credibility in opposing it - and I surely will not. My pursuit is truth wherever it comes from. I studied all the state of art sciences, pondered them deeply, and concluded:

THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC ALTERNATIVE TO CREATIONISM.

Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.


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IamJoseph
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Message 107 of 129 (625386)
07-22-2011 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Panda
07-20-2011 9:32 AM


For those same reasons, our free choice is limited and conditional to moral/ethical decisions only; outside of these we have no free choice. Yes we can intentionally choose not to breathe - but for how long? And choosing between a green or yellow rolls royce is not the kind of free choice which is referred to here; rather the ones which impact in the big picture are referred to. This is the reason free choice and free speech are subject to the law, that they do not violate other laws.

Moral/ethical/Judiciary laws work exactly as do the laws of gravity and math, and stem from the same source: a disfunction will ultimately pop up and expose the error.


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Larni
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Message 108 of 129 (625435)
07-23-2011 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by IamJoseph
07-22-2011 10:43 PM


When you say that you have studied, exactly what level of study did you formally reach: degree, masters or doctorate?
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Panda
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Message 109 of 129 (625455)
07-23-2011 7:52 AM
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07-22-2011 10:49 PM


IamJoseph writes:

Yes we can intentionally choose not to breathe - but for how long?


We can intentionally choose to not wear clothing.
For how long? For our whole long lives.

We do not need clothing.
Your statement is false.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 110 of 129 (625457)
07-23-2011 8:15 AM
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07-22-2011 10:43 PM


The flat earth was not abandoned because Galeleo said so - it had tio be proven as false. This obligation remains on the scientific community to dispell Creationism.

Well it is the obligation of the creationist community to prove that Chronos did not create the universe by making a dagger out of his rib and cutting into the darkness. Until then the chronos theory should be taught in schools.

The same goes for pink gravity faries , the pink unicorn, mumbo the guy who had an upset stomach and vomited the universe into exsistance ....

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


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IamJoseph
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Message 111 of 129 (625533)
07-23-2011 8:28 PM
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07-23-2011 8:15 AM


They become silly when they loose - just like any red blooded theologist. These are losers:

quote:
We can intentionally choose to not wear clothing.
For how long? For our whole long lives.
We do not need clothing.
Your statement is false.


But only humans are seen with this need and doing so - false - or is your aruement becoming silly?

quote:
The flat earth was not abandoned because Galeleo said so - it had tio be proven as false. This obligation remains on the scientific community to dispell Creationism.

Well it is the obligation of the creationist community to prove that Chronos did not create the universe by making a dagger out of his rib and cutting into the darkness. Until then the chronos theory should be taught in schools.

The same goes for pink gravity faries , the pink unicorn, mumbo the guy who had an upset stomach and vomited the universe into exsistance ....


Of course we have a chrono who first introduced creationism - with an iltelligent chronology listing which none can overturn today - or is someone's brain upset?


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IamJoseph
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Message 112 of 129 (625534)
07-23-2011 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Larni
07-23-2011 5:03 AM


I've obviously studied more than you because I don't swallow 'EVERYTHING' and report it as if it was both a scientific fact and evidential in everything around me. Yes I hold a B in Architecture. You?

Chess champs make poor war generals. Many scientists are dumber than dumb in most things today - they tow the line for fear of a bad career move and grants conditions, a corruption which has been invading good science for decades. Poke a hole in Darwin and you get bumped forever.


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Panda
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Message 113 of 129 (625545)
07-23-2011 10:07 PM
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07-23-2011 8:28 PM


IamJoseph writes:

But only humans are seen with this need


No, humans are not seen with a need for clothes.

I have asked several times and you seem unable to answer it, so I will repeat it:
I have lived in Iceland without clothes. Why am I still alive? Or did I not need clothes?


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IamJoseph
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Message 114 of 129 (625550)
07-23-2011 10:38 PM
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07-23-2011 10:07 PM


Pandas of iceland don't need clothes. Only humans do.
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Granny Magda
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Message 115 of 129 (625554)
07-23-2011 11:44 PM
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07-23-2011 10:07 PM


Pandas of iceland don't need clothes.

Plus, look at how your furry little panda ass is surrounded by all that fire. No wonder you were okay.

You have to admit, he's got you there.

Mutate and Survive


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Panda
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Message 116 of 129 (625555)
07-23-2011 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 10:38 PM


Seriously?
IamJoseph writes:

Pandas of iceland don't need clothes. Only humans do.


So, you finally agree with me.
Humans don't need clothing.
Why didn't you just say sooner and save us all a lot of time.

Or is there some other reason you refuse to answer such a simple question?

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Panda
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Message 117 of 129 (625556)
07-23-2011 11:46 PM
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07-23-2011 11:44 PM


Granny Magda writes:

You have to admit, he's got you there.


Us pesky pandas and our broadband connections and our computers...

It is a shame the IamJoseph has to be such a moron when failing to support his arguments.


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Message 118 of 129 (625557)
07-23-2011 11:48 PM


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Apparantly the new British government is planning to give parents, teachers and charities powers to open their own schools and (as far as I can tell) set their own curriculum. Is this not just a way of giving religious groups via charitable status a means of setting up religious schools and teaching creationism/IB and other such dubious beliefs under whatever title they want, mainly science? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8597572.stm)

Even where those intending to open schools have no such ambitions I have little faith in the ability of parents, charities and even some teachers to give children a comprehensive education without a governing body inplace to ensure that basic minumum standards are met. Personally I'm not suprised that this is being proposed by the Conservative and that the Lib Dems (Who I supported partly because there more secular stance on education) aren't particually happy with this.

This will not address the real problem which is poor parenting resulting in children with behavioural problems and little ambitionswhen it comes to educating and ultimately bettering themselves.

All messages should have some obvious connection to the merit or lack of merit, and methodolgy of inserting creationism into British schools.

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Larni
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Message 119 of 129 (625580)
07-24-2011 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 8:34 PM


Yes I hold a B in Architecture. You?

What is a B? B tech, BA? I'm confused.

And Architecture is hardly a science.

Myself? MSc in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

My point remains that you appear to know fuck all about the scientific methodology.


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IamJoseph
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Message 120 of 129 (625587)
07-24-2011 7:29 AM
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07-24-2011 6:33 AM


http://www.hebrew4christians.com/...Aleph-Bet/aleph-bet.html
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