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Author Topic:   Professional Debate: Scientific Evidence for/against Evolution… “Any Takers?”
Coyote
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Message 14 of 196 (564767)
06-12-2010 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Eye-Squared-R
06-12-2010 11:01 AM


Re: Dr Adequate's Inducement
The debate has already been done. Your side lost.
The results are in these, and similar, journals:
American Journal of Human Biology
American Journal of Human Genetics
American Journal of Physical Anthropology
The Anatomical Record Part A
Annals of Human Biology
Annals of Human Genetics
Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
Anthropological Science
Anthropologie
L' Anthropologie
Archaeometry
Behavior Genetics
Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology
Biological Psychology
Biology and Philosophy
BMC Evolutionary Biology
Current Anthropology
Current Biology
Economics and Human Biology
Ethnic and Racial Studies
European Journal of Human Genetics
Evolution and Human Behavior
Evolutionary Anthropology
Forensic Science International
Gene
Genetical Research
Genetics
Genome Research
Heredity
Homo
Human Biology
Human Heredity
Human Genetics
Human Genomics
Human Molecular Genetics
Human Mutation
International Journal of Osteoarchaeology
Journal of Anthropological Archaeology
Journal of Archaeological Science
Journal of Biosocial Science
Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies
Journal of Human Evolution
Journal of Human Genetics
Journal of Molecular Evolution

Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute
Molecular Biology and Evolution
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution
Nature
Nature Genetics
Nature Reviews Genetics
PLoS Biology
PLoS Genetics
Proceedings of The Royal Society: Biological Sciences
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
Russian Journal of Genetics
Science
Trends in Genetics

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 17 of 196 (564780)
06-12-2010 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by nwr
06-12-2010 2:44 PM


Re: Theories and Facts
My point is that scientific theories and laws are not observed facts about the world. The role of theories and laws is far more complex than that.
Quite right.
Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature.
Theory: A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory. Source.
Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws.

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Message 31 of 196 (565714)
06-19-2010 3:28 PM


Outed
You can put me down as "out" also.
And to answer your question: Yes, I have read Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions. It was required for a theory class in graduate school.
By the way, half of my study in graduate school was fossil man, evolution, and related subjects.

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Message 37 of 196 (565739)
06-19-2010 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Eye-Squared-R
06-19-2010 10:43 PM


Statement of belief????
You want a statement of belief? I'll give you one:
In a debate concerning the theory of evolution it is impossible for a creationist to avoid, for very long, one or more of the following:
--Denying scientific data
--Ignoring scientific data
--Misrepresenting scientific data, or
--Misinterpreting scientific data.
This is a belief based on considerable experience and I don't recall any exceptions.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 73 of 196 (592790)
11-22-2010 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Eye-Squared-R
11-22-2010 12:20 AM


Re: Dr. Adequate’s Commitment
Hint: knock off the fancy colors.
Your post looks like a French whorehouse.
{Added by edit - I would think a French whorehouse must look much better - Regardless, do stop doing the damn color effects. And stop doing the long lines of "_"; They blotch up the page display widths- Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add more to previous added by edit.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 83 of 196 (600717)
01-16-2011 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Eye-Squared-R
01-16-2011 4:30 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate’s Commitment
Considering your education, journal resources, and conviction, would you mind sharing with us your reason for declining to commit to a professional publishable debate concerning the scientific evidence for/against evolution as described in the OP and Message 10? If nothing else, could you at least make a public commitment to chip in for Dr. Adequate in one of the various disciplines if the doctor were to firmly commit to debate a creationist?
My training is a bit out of date. I was on top of things when I took my Ph.D. exams, with fossil man and human osteology as two of my four fields, but I haven't kept up with the fossil man studies to the level I would need for a proper debate. It has been nearly 30 years!

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Message 114 of 196 (609955)
03-24-2011 10:51 PM


This whole thread has been silly
This whole thread has been silly.
If you want a professional quality debate, just contact Eugenie Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education.
Or perhaps Kenneth R. Miller, a biology professor from Brown University. He did pretty well at Dover.
Why are you trolling internet chat/debate rooms instead of seeking out organizations and individuals who have been dealing with this issue for years?
Can't handle the big time?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 118 of 196 (625165)
07-21-2011 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Mazzy
07-21-2011 4:18 PM


Re: This whole thread has been silly
Don't bother replying to any of my posts.
I'm done with your trolling.

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