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Buzsaw
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Message 75 of 320 (574076)
08-13-2010 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-14-2010 9:37 AM


Re: Flood Legends
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Bear in mind, though, that in ancient times people would have had no knowledge of the whole world (in fact, little knowledge of anything more than a few miles from where they lived), so what might have appeared to be a major flood to them, would have been insignificant on a global scale.
On the other hand, bear in mind that IF indeed there was this Biblical flood, there was allegedly only 8 people, all surviving witnesses of the event.
Given that these eight were the total living post flood population of the planet, the phenomenal event would have been the most significant historically known and talked about event for many generations to come by all living cultures, all being relatively close descendents of these eight. I say relatively close, because after all, IF it was true, we're all descendents of these eight. As the time passed and the event passed further into history, though the accuracy of the event would become distorted in various manners according to the areas and cultures, the event would still be known to some degree fairly universally. The further from the event down through the centuries and millenia, the less frequent and less accurate any information would be.
WYATT PARAGRAPH EDITED OUT BY BUZSAW
We don't know how extensive the knowledge would have been prior to the flood, but IF those eight experienced the event, there would have been no doubt in their minds that it was global, due to the length of time the were afloat in it.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Wyatt deleted and word emphasised.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 88 of 320 (574134)
08-14-2010 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by jar
08-13-2010 10:46 PM


Re: Flood Legends
Jar writes:
Why are you mentioning about Ron Wyatt (someone that is known to have misrepresented facts and faked data) even after the subject of the Biblical Flood has been proven to be false?
Jar, I will not be responding due to Adminemooseous's message, submitted a half hour before yours that the Wyatt data is for another topic?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 97 of 320 (574228)
08-14-2010 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Bikerman
08-13-2010 10:54 PM


Re: Flood Legends
Bikerman writes:
Well, if you are a creationist then I presume you can put a date on the flood? I'll settle for a rough figure give or take a few centuries. Surely that must be possible, since creationists claim to be able to date the earth from the bible....
First off, your allegation that creationists claim to be able to date the earth is not necessarily true. Many of us are not YECs. I lay no claim to know the age of the earth. The Biblical record does not tell us.
As for the Noaic Flood, 4350 years ago is likely close. It has long been my contention that due to unknowns such as earth's position, earth's atmosphere, earth's topology, earth's chemical properties, etc relative to a pre-flood planet, the factors which determine modern dating data likely render it impossible to date anything near flood or pre-flood.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 320 (574244)
08-14-2010 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by jar
08-14-2010 10:12 PM


Re: Flood Legends
Jar writes:
Fortunately, there is no need to know anything about conditions before or even during the Biblical Flood. If the Biblical Flood myths are true then the genetic bottle neck marker must be there in every human, every land animal, every bird alive today.
That marker is NOT there.
The Biblical Flood myths are refuted.
My assumption would be that that the alleged creationist pre-flood super climate affected Biblically acclaimed very long life and would implicate limited gene drift. According to the Genesis record, life expectancy was constant until the Noaic Flood, after which it began to lower.
How would a genetic bottleneck be effected, given no pre-flood genetic data was known.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 320 (574245)
08-14-2010 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Bikerman
08-14-2010 10:41 PM


Re: Flood Legends
Bikerman writes:
3. The evidence says otherwise
LOL. It should, given no Genesis Flood assumed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 107 of 320 (574481)
08-16-2010 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Coyote
08-14-2010 11:15 PM


Re: Genetic data
Coyote writes:
I have some from my own archaeological research, dated to about 5,300 years ago. It matches living individuals in the same area, showing that there was no disruption at the date you accept for a global flood.
Why do you keep ignoring that if there was a Genesis flood, the planet would have been much different pre-flood, skewing your dating methodology?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 118 of 320 (574625)
08-16-2010 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Percy
08-16-2010 8:51 AM


Re: Genetic data
Percy writes:
Buz, we already are well aware of what you think is true. The science threads are for discussing the evidence for what you think is true. Unless you're ready to present the evidence for what you think is true there is no need to keep reminding us of what you think is true.
Baumgartner has offered some evidence which appears to make sense. I suggest a reading and responses to questionable statements in it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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