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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi SwampDonkey,
Providing you ever come back I have a question. Information is required for evolution to take place so my question is: DNA has a tremendous amount of informatin stored in it, where did all that information come from? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi subbie,
subbie writes: Meaningless without a workable definition of "information," which no creo has ever provided. Especially one you agree with. I take information to be a message with a sender that is responsible for the information and a receiver. The information is any message the sender chooses to compose. I know this won't meet your approval but so what? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr,
Dr Adequate writes: OK, so I suppose in the biological case the sender is evolution, the message is the genomes ... and the receivers, I guess, are the ribosomes. How can evolution be the producer of the information? If evolution is the result of the processing of the information that is sent to the receiver by the sender. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr.
Dr Adequate writes: Uh ... by evolution being the producer of the information? I am asking the questions because I don't have a clue. You are supposed to be the one with the answers according to what you put forth in Professional Debate: Scientific Evidence for/against Evolution. So let me rephrase my question. Evolution is produced by mutations, and natural selection. Without information nothing can take place. Information is contained in a cell nucleus the size of a pin point. The human genome stored on DNA in this nucleus is over six billion letters total. A copy of this information is contained in almost every cell in our body. My question was where does all this information come from? If evolution produces this information, how does it produce it? If mutations produce this information, how does it produce it? Which brings me back to my original question. DNA has a tremendous amount of information stored in it, where did all that information come from? As I understand information it has to be created. Is there anyway that information can begin to exist without being created? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Mod,
Modulous writes: The answer therefore is: From the laws of physics. How did it get into the genome? Work was done. Where did the information from the laws of physics come from? Not a question for evolution. Satisfied? No. Because there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: From mutations in the DNA of earlier generations of organisms, ICANT. So where did the information come from that caused the mutation? I can understand how the reduction of information could happen. But not how it could increase as new information would need to be coded. There is no known natural process for this to happen. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Mr Jack,
Mr Jack writes: 2. It's not obvious how it applies to evolution. What is the sender? What is the receiver? What is the message? What difference does it make what is the sender?What difference does it make what is the receiver? What difference does it make what the message is? A processor can process information that is input into it.The processor can then display this information on a screen. The processor can also store the information on a hard drive. Information as we know it comes from a mind. But where did the information come from that is stored in the DNA? Is there an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally? Remember I have no idea what I am talking about. I am just asking questions trying to find information. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi CS,
CS writes: The process explained by the Theory of Evolution does. That is: Random Mutation + Natural Selection. No that tells you what happened. It does not tell you were the new information came from. I think I need to wait until the fellow that promised all the answers to every question to come back and answer my question. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: Oh, but there is. Mutation and natural selection is one such natural process. How does the mutation or natural selection produce new information? Do you have an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: Yup. The DNA in the nuclei of the cells (excluding red blood cells) in my body. You have a couple of trillion examples of your own. My parents produced my DNA I don't know where you got yours from. I would assume your parents. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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