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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I started another thread so we can stay on topic. Taz, and a few others round here like to throw around the word racist. Especially with me. Yet, no one has ever provided any evidence of this, it's just what they feel(mere name calling is not a basis to be considered racist). Well, I started this thread to tell you, you are wrong. You are wrong on three accounts.
#1. I am not a racist (and laugh when you call me one).#2. Calling people racist, is wrong, unless they actually are. #3. Your own prejudice blinds you. From another thread:
"Taz" writes: Like Steve Blair? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100604/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2425 Now, it's ok for him to make racist comments because he's got black friends. Just remember that he's got black friends, just like every freakin' racist out there. If I was a racists, would I date a black woman? Would I marry a Puerto Rican woman? You know, because I married a PR woman, I am one of them now, according to my racists ex-boss, and a few select others, who I would like to punch in the face. Taz, I may mention color when insulting, or putting people down, including white people, but that does not make me a racists. You have never once come up with one single shred of evidence that I am a racists. If I call someone a honky, white trash bitch, am I a racists towards white people? I am also not racists if I point out certain things that Obama does, and mention he is black. I am not saying he does certain things, just because he is black (even if he does) I would in a heart beat do the same thing if he was white. First off, I think he is part racist. he calls himself a black man, yet he is half white. I understand his skin color is black, and he has had to go through what a lot of black people go through, which IS racism. I see it all the time. But, I think it is still wrong to call yourself something your not. Makes me wonder if it stems from a hatred of white people, maybe from the way he was treated. Still, that should be no reason to hate, or be prejudice, or racist. He is also picking a lot of "minorities" to be judges, and what not. Seems like a little racial favoritism to me. But I don't have a problem with that, Lord knows it went on long enough with white people in office, it's about time the table turned a bit. A long time ago, and still today, I get treated bad by people of different ethnic back round, just because I am white. Not for any other reason. When I was a very small child, I made up my mind not to let that deter me from trying to get along with people of different ethnic back rounds. I love the difference in cultures, and embrace it open heartedly. I see no reason to be mad at all black people just because I was mugged by black people, in fights with black people, and called names by black people. I've seen the same behavior from white people as well, towards their own race, and towards other races. The color of your skin does not determine your heart. I would even say I get along with people of different ethnic back rounds more than white people. There is a comedian out there, that all he does is make racists comments, but he's not a racist. I will admit that probably both he and I should not make those comments, for two reasons. One, people don't understand because of their ignorance (you) and two, it is a bad influence on people that don't understand and are gullible. So I half apologize for any comments that could have been construed as racist. But on the other hand I don't, because where I'm from, and some of the people I hang with, we don't have a problem calling each other names. It's just names. What counts is how we treat each other. So I in no way have ever thought that white people are superior than any other race. In fact, I have seen too much of the opposite. (yet I won't classify based on just what I've seen) Do I believe that individual ethnic groups possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race? That's a pretty tough question. The short answer is no I do not. But white people, do mostly have white skin, and black people mostly do have black skin. But it's not 100%, and neither are any of the respectful races abilities, just because they are a certain race. But if I said on this forum, that the majority of NBA players are black, you would not hesitate to call that a racist remark, which BTW is not. For that you are wrong. Now if I said "all black people love basketball" that would be racist, and prejudice. However, there is no denying that certain things are more predominant in certain cultures/races. It has nothing to do with superiority or the lack there-of. And I do not hold that against, or for them. It's just life, that's all. I don't categorize people based on it. It's great that people have their own cultures, that do not stem from the color of their skin, just how they were raised. We all came from black mother Eve. We are all star bellies.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"nwr" writes:
Sorry, riVeRraT, but that statement is either ignorant and stupid or it is racist. I won't judge which. Well, I don't see how it is racist, would you please explain it to me, since I look to better myself, and understand why that would be considered racist. I really don't think I was being ignorant at all. Racism continues in this country today, and is still a problem. It shapes people when they are subjected to it. That's just a fact. Your link describes the "one drop rule" which I find to be racist. While researching your link, I came across this word which I haven't heard in a long time:Mulatto - Wikipedia I find it funny that in the definition it says: "Some reject the term because of its association with slavery and colonial and racial oppression, preferring terms such as "mixed", "biracial", "mixed-race", and "multiracial". Yet black people run around calling each other nigger all the time. They even make songs about it. Shit, they call me nigger too. But God forbid if I use the term.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"nwr" writes: Of course it is racist. But "black" in not a biological term, it is a cultural term, and the one drop rule is what this racist culture goes by. Well if it's any consolation, I've experienced my own one-drop rule by marrying a Puerto Rican. It would seem certain people no longer consider me white. But really, why would Obama call himself black when he has a white mother? Wasn't his mother the one who really took care of him? It's almost like denying it in a way. I am of mixed heritage, so when people ask what I am, I say ...American.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"bluescat48" writes:
My point is that I would consider just about anyone as a racist to some extent including myself. I have an intense dislike for : Fundamentalist ChristiansFundamentalist Muslims Radical Atheists White supremacists Black supremacists Radical Feminists Radical Fascists Radical Communists People who are against the separation of Church and State Used Car Salespeople Radical YECS Radical Evolutionists Senators & Congressmen who vote Party lines rather that what the majority of their constituents want People who cow tow to Big Oil, Big Pharma etc. People on welfare who don't try to find a way to get off it That does not make you a racist, that makes you prejudice. There are many who think like you in this forum. I have a problem with that. You guys are lumping people together by their beliefs. I may not agree with most of a raging liberals views, but that does not automatically mean all raging liberals deserve to be hated by me. It's very narrow minded of you. Just like many in this forum. They claim to be open minded, and scientific minded, but they aren't when they speak. It's classic hypocrisy.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"bluescat48" writes:
Not by beliefs, but by action. Every group I have listed treats those of other persuasions as either second class citizens, abominations, or are out only for themselves and not for all mankind. I have yet to meet any of the above groups who isn't. It would be better to hate the actions, not the persons. we all have a belief that another person may not agree with.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Hyroglyphx" writes:
Whatever the case is, his politics are shit. I'm more concerned with the ideologies he's fostered than his whiteness or blackness or mulato-ness. Me too, but I wonder sometimes if some of his ideologies don't stem from what he thinks he is. It doesn't matter to me what color he is.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"nwr" writes:
Does he call himself black? Or does he simply acknowledge that the society calls him black? He calls himself black, and he acknowledges that society (racists included) call him black.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"onifire" writes:
Yes. Who knows what thrills someone could get from dating and I assume having sex with a minority. But I don't think you are a racist, my point is that you could be even though you date outside your race. Agreed, those facts alone do not clear someone of being a racist. It would be pretty f'd up if I married a PR woman, AND I was a racist though. That's worse than just calling me a racist, lol.
People are full of shit riVeRraT, and they like to take the "I'm better than you" approach whenever someone says something that they were thinking...or have said themselves. Anyone claiming to not have made a racist comment, or made fun of a racial stereotype, is completely full of shit. I've made them, openly, even to black friends. If they're too sensitive not to see it as a joke, then fuck 'em. Lucky for me they aren't that sensitive. Also, I am a racist, I openly admit that - so do my black friends, and asian friends, and middle eastern friends - and I honestly can't see how anyone isn't. If all it takes to be a racist is the words that come out of your mouth, then EVERYONE is a racist at some point in their life - or sexist, or homophobic, or intolarant. I have friends from different cultures, countries, races, sexual orientation - but that doesn't mean I won't find myself making a racist comment when frustrated or as a joke. Anyone claiming different is full of shit. Now, I'm not a white supremacist, hell, I'm not even "white," and I don't go around saying minorities need to leave the US... but let some asian cut me off in traffic, or a black dude in a pimped out ride take my parking space. You better believe (inside my car to myself) I'll be using racial slurs. The funniest thing is when I'm in the car with my black friends and THEY use it when something like that happens too. We're only human, dude. Personally, I think the PC cops are gaying us up and trying to turn us all into nigger lovers... - Oni Excellent post! Of course I am part racist by definition I guess. But not to the extent that either you or I need to be called one. I am probably racist when it comes to muslims, especially after 911, and some other child hurts that happened to me. But I do my best to curb it, and do not act on those stupid feelings, or angers or hurts that I have towards the past. I give everyone a fresh chance. Everyone from a specific culture or race can't be the same, even if the majority are. So I won't act on that. If you shout out racial slurs in your car at someone who cut you off, you are not doing it because they were a specific race or nationality, you are doing it because they cut you off. They get the stereotypical racial comment, and it comes out cause you are mad at the time. Being mad makes you say things that you normally wouldn't say. It's mostly because we just grew up in a society where those kinds of words are always being used. On TV, in songs, by people. It just comes out. We tend to mimic or surroundings. It is tough to overcome that. I meet a lot of people in my line of work. I go into peoples houses, and crawl through all their stuff, and sort of get to know them. I see their stuff, smell their houses, see what's behind furniture, speak and deal with them, and get paid from them. You really see how a person is when it comes to money. There is a huge opportunity for me to let my racism shine when dealing with people. What I see is that people are not always like their stereotypes.For instance, jews are not cheap, they are smart. I've never had a jew stiff me, and a hasidic jew gave me my first tip, $100. Best tip to date. After 10 years of being in business, I've only been stiffed like 3 times, all Italians......and I'm mostly of Italian heritage. Stupid guinea idiots. They all think they are Al Pacino, specially ones from Brooklyn....haha yea I guess I am a racist.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"AZPaul3" writes:
Then we could form the National Association of Societies for Care of American Rennies. NASCAR for short. That's a racist comment right thar
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Muslims" is (or are) not a race! Well like anyone from the middle east. I am not really racists against them, but cautious, because I know some of their beliefs don't align with mine. Still I don't hold it against them.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined:
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"bluescat48" writes: I agree, but much of the problem is that the most vocal members of any group tends to agree with what the perceived ideology, preferences & persuasions that the the group is alleged to have.Obviously one does not hear a quiet Fundie, Fascist, Communist, White, Black, Agnostic, Atheist, Evolutionist, Car Salesman, etc. Just the vocal who tend to be radical in their views. Yea sure, but still why hate the person?One thing that happened to me when I developed a relationship with what I feel to be God, He showed me, that if He can love me, then He can love anyone. He totally understands why and how someone comes to a particular place in life, and having a certain belief. I believe He doesn't hold it against us, and I think neither should we. It's a sign of Love. You are hating a person because of the life they had to go through, and the intelligence they possess. That's how wars start. hating them pushes them away, and then conversation, or exchange of information can never take place, where someone may actually learn that they are wrong, and you could learn from each other. Of course some people will never change, but I still don't hold it against them personally. I look at them as victims, with the outside remote chance that I am actually the victim.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Taz" writes:
Could you please stop talking? You started out denying you're a racist. Then you began sarcastically admitting you're a racist. Now, you're inadvertently confirming you're a racist. troll.You are so eager to jump down my throat, you missed the part where I said I don't act on any feelings I may have developed because of past relationships and instances. I still give every human being the same fair chance to show me they are not like their stereotypes, and are just people, like you and me., well maybe just me. I have to explain to them that the difference between Chinese and Vietnamese is like the difference between English and Italian. No you don't have to explain that to me, since you missed every point I've made.
The first step towards any recovery is to truly be honest with yourself. Denying it won't do it. Sarcastically admitting it won't do it either. I am honest. I do have racist feelings, but like I said, I don't act on them, or treat people in a racist way. We can't help it, like oni so graciously explained, and you just admitted to. I still give people a fair chance, just like I give you a fair chance, over and over again. You keep disappointing though. You need to understand this, and stop calling people names. Your arguments lose validity, and it is just plain annoying. I believe there is a fairly smart person under all that bullshit of yours.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No you dumb nigga, dad's don't run around saying how bad the word "son" is, and that no-one should be using it. It is absolutely a double standard. My black friends used to say to me all the time "nigga please" but God forbid I said it to them. It was like them telling me, we accept you, but you still can't use that word. The word is bad, and we use it all the time, but you still can't use it. I just take it as it being the times we live in. We are in a transition. Years of oppression and slavery caused it. But I really just feel that more of an effort should be made by black culture to drop the word entirely. Just come up with another word. Oh yea, they used to call me cracka, lol, or the great white hope, cause we played basketball all the time together. P.S. I'm still trying to figure when Chris Rock went from being anigga, to being a black person, because early in his career, he seemed very racist to me, and more likely to call himself a nigga. P.S. #2nigga, nigger, or niggra(from blazing saddles) are all words a white person should not say to a group of black people in a dark alley in Harlem. You can thank me later. Edited by riVeRraT, : your motha
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"DrJones writes: Yeah those statements aren't contradictory at all. Correct, they aren't.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Taz" writes:
If anything, the word cracka is not derogatory at all. Any word can be derogatory, depending how you use it.I was also told by one of the people who called me that, it was a term from the word cracker, some one who works hard and cracks the ground with his pick, like a slave. I could care less anyway, it's just a word.
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