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Topic: Racist?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 155 of 404 (569028)
07-19-2010 8:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 147 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 7:17 PM
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riVeRraT writes: If a "Christian" cult moved next door to me, I would be just as careful, and worried, because of past history. Being cautious is not being racist. Acting on those feelings is being racist.
There used to be a Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall a few blocks from my house. Now it's a Sikh temple. (In case you don't know, the worst terrorist attack in the history of Canada was perpetrated by Sikhs.) I like to watch the kids playing cricket in the street in front of the temple. Only brown people and black people play cricket around here. If you don't see the connection, it's because there isn't one.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 172 of 404 (569129)
07-20-2010 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 165 by Woodsy
07-20-2010 9:00 AM
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Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Woodsy writes: Is it, in some cases, even safe to ignore these shared attributes?
The counter-question is: How far do you go to ensure your own safety? Iraq? Should a squadron of B-52s be considered part of the safety equipment for the World trade Center? During World War II, we interned second-generation Japanese Canadians for safety's sake. My father was all in favour of doing that. He was a second-generation German Canadian.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Atemis Entreri writes: Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again.
I'm afraid that "I know you are but what am I?" has little validity outside the playground. In this case, it's especially false. A person who doesn't want to be a bigot doesn't go into deny-deny-deny mode when somebody suggests he's a bigot. Instead, he asks where other people see bigotry in him. So let me ask: Which is worse? Being called a bigot or having somebody notice you're a bigot?
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: lol another one
Artemis Entreri writes: what y'all think I am, is the evolved vernacular version, but what the name callers is the the old REAL definition. Even though I am not nor have been hostile to different races, my desire to avoid places with high concentrations of black people some how makes me a bigot. All I can say is those of you calling me a bigot are really just making up your own definitions. there you go Ringo, I hope that spelled it out for you.
Well, no, not really. That was a lot of words but not much substance. I asked which is worse, being a bigot or having people notice that you're a bigot. Let me answer it from my own point of view and we'll see if that clarifies the question for you. I am a bigot. As somebody's message subtitle said a while back, we all are. The thing is, I'm not "okay" with being a bigot. I don't want to be a bigot. If somebody tells me I'm a bigot, that's helpful. It's even more helpful if they tell me specifically how I'm being a bigot. I can't fix my flaws if they aren't diagnosed and humans are notoriously bad at diagnosing our own flaws. So my answer to my question is that it's worse to have a problem than to have somebody point out the problem to you. If you have a low tire and somebody points it out to you, you thank them. You don't rant about name-calling. "Low tire" is not an insult. It's constructive criticism.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 190 of 404 (569191)
07-20-2010 6:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 187 by riVeRraT
07-20-2010 5:59 PM
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Re: You really need to think about what you write and be more clear
"riVeRraT" writes: I see how people are, and that is exactly why I am not racist.
You might get less flak if you called yourself a "recovering racist" instead of vehemently denying that you're a racist. Overcoming a problem is more impressive than never having one in the first place.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 224 of 404 (569337)
07-21-2010 12:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
07-21-2010 10:23 AM
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riVeRraT writes: Being Italian, I would say I was more racist towards Irish than anything else.
It doesn't really matter who you're racist "towards" and I don't think you have to be "raised racist" to be racist. It's a natural human tendency to categorize others by obvious characteristics. What I'm saying is that you'd be better off being aware of your natural tendencies and trying to civilize them instead of just denying them.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 239 of 404 (569604)
07-22-2010 12:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 231 by riVeRraT
07-22-2010 8:17 AM
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riVeRraT writes: But if you grew up in a mixed area (like me) where for the most part everyone got along, your natural tendency would be to get along with people regardless of color.
But "getting along with people" isn't the opposite of racism. The racists' theme song is, "Some of my best friends are black." A racist puts up with people in spite of their colour. His attitude is that there are a few good black people (his friends) but in general, "they" are not to be trusted. I'm just saying that it's better to be aware of your own attitudes and to look for your own negative attitudes instead of just denying that you have any.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 256 of 404 (569749)
07-23-2010 4:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 251 by riVeRraT
07-23-2010 7:44 AM
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riVeRraT writes: I'm just saying that it's better to be aware of your own attitudes and to look for your own negative attitudes instead of just denying that you have any.
That's just it though, I don't have any negative attitudes that would define me as a racist, or prejudice.
Seek and ye shall find. You started the thread to complain about people who perceive you as a racist. I'm suggesting that you should look at the way you express yourself. Maybe then you'll come to understand why some people perceive you as a racist.
I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I\'m back where I started.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 275 of 404 (570462)
07-27-2010 2:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 270 by riVeRraT
07-27-2010 10:15 AM
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riVeRraT writes: So my one (known) liberal neighbor, who always calls the cops, decided to put a letter in my mail box about it, and then call the cops on me.
During every election campaign, I put up a socialist sign on my lawn to freak out the conservative neighbours. I think I'm going to move in next door to you.
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Artemis Entreri writes: I bet there is well over 500 white ancestries, but a white person is still a white person nomatter if they are from Iceland, or Iran.
What colour are your eyes and hair?
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 282 of 404 (570712)
07-28-2010 12:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 279 by riVeRraT
07-28-2010 9:08 AM
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riVeRraT writes: I understand why some people may want to see me as racists, but anytime something like that happens, I clarify it for them. But then it still continues.
My point is that your "clarification" ain't workin'.
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"I keep doing the same thing over and over again, Dr. Phil, and it still doesn't work."
My point is that maybe you should stop playing riVeRraT Knows All on a tiny violin and listen to what people have to say.
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Still don't get it?
Artemis Entreri writes: Ringo writes: What colour are your eyes and hair?
Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes. Why?
I was checking to see if you're really white or just a wannabe. Since you say there are 500 shades of white, I thought you might be a racist with low standards.
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: strawman AND moving the goalposts, you must be getting desparate!
Artemis Entreri writes: Ringo writes: I was checking to see if you're really white or just a wannabe. Since you say there are 500 shades of white, I thought you might be a racist with low standards.
yeah cause that is exactly what I said. 500 shades of white.
Forgive me. Sometimes I'm too colourful for literal minded people. What you said was, "I bet there is well over 500 white ancestries, but a white person is still a white person nomatter if they are from Iceland, or Iran." What I'm saying is that there's too much overlap at the end of your scale - too many "dark white" people overlapping with "light brown" people - for the term "white" to have any meaning.
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 297 of 404 (570924)
07-29-2010 12:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 294 by riVeRraT
07-29-2010 10:05 AM
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riVeRraT writes: Ringo writes: My point is that maybe you should stop playing riVeRraT Knows All on a tiny violin and listen to what people have to say.
Which ones? Some people can clearly see that I am not racist, others may think differently.
Would you hire a plumber who can't see a problem or one who goes and looks to see if there is a problem?
riVeRraT writes: If you were the one with the problem, no matter what I said or did, would make you happy.
It isn't about making anybody else happy. It's about self-examination, self-improvement. You're coming across as somebody who thinks he doesn't need any improvement in his attitudes.
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Still don't get it?
Catholic Scientist writes: Blonde chicks generally seem to be dumber to me.
A blonde chick was walking down the street when she noticed two guys staring up at a flagpole, so she asked them what was up. One of them said, "Our boss wants us to measure the height of this flagpole but we can't figure out how to reach the top." The blonde chick took a quick glance at the flagpole, then reached into her purse and took out a wrench. She undid one bolt at the bottom and loosened the other, then she carefully lowered the flagpole to the ground. She took a tape measure out of her purse and measured it. "Thirty-two feet." The two guys looked at each other and shook their heads. "Typical dumb blonde. We ask her for the height and she gives us the length."
Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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