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Topic: Racist?
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DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: 06-05-2008
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Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
well shit if Cuba is 85% black, I change my mind about going there. Why do we let blatant racism run rampant here? Go take your KKK, white supremacism to some other forum. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 137 of 404 (568948)
07-19-2010 5:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by Huntard
07-19-2010 4:58 AM
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Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
Huntard writes: Because it exposes it for what it is. Something the human species can easily do without. Agreed, it was more of a rhetorical question.
But it's so much fun to tell people they're bigotted fuckwits and see them fly of the handle, all "I've got black friends!" like.  LOL, it is sad people like this still exist.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
KKK, white supremacy, LOL.
Because they allow blatant ignorance, and blatant ad hominem, like your self.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... I have no problem wth ad hominem attacks against blatant racists and bigots.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 144 of 404 (569004)
07-19-2010 6:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 10:37 AM
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Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Riverat writes: There are all kinds of muslims. Some of them are radical, and believe in harming anyone who doesn't think like them. When they act out those beliefs, yes I have a problem with it, and hold those beliefs against them because they are against the law. Are you saying we should let people murder others because they believe they are doing the right thing? Now replace with this:
There are all kinds of christians/mormons/baptists/hindus/budhists/agnostics/atheists/ aka HUMANS. Some of them are radical, and believe in harming anyone who doesn't think like them. When they act out those beliefs, yes I have a problem with it, and hold those beliefs against them because they are against the law. Are you saying we should let people murder others because they believe they are doing the right thing? In otherwords no human is immune from acting radically and irrationally, regardless of race, color, creed, nationality, ethnicity age, sex or religion. To say other wise is stereotyping i.e. racism/agism/sexism/etc and is itself irrational.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 156 of 404 (569032)
07-19-2010 8:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 147 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 7:17 PM
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Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
If a "Christian" cult moved next door to me, I would be just as careful, and worried, because of past history.
Being cautious is not being racist. Acting on those feelings is being racist. Stereotyping all muslims (or any other group of people) is being racist/ethnist/etc, whether you act on it or not.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Re: Ever Seen a Duck?
obviously you don't know shit about ducks either. Um, ok. You got me, I am not an ornithologist.
You called me a supremacist, which is entirely false, but I can see you need no evidence to back up your claims, since you are so full of shit to begin with. Shall we analyze all your previous quotes from this and other threads?
AE writes: I am having trouble figureing out why you care what these fools on here think about you and your views. How can a black man come out of a white vagina? how can a man be black when his mother and the people who raise him are white. he has no black culture, and aside from looking in the mirror, really has nothing to be "black" about. Let those who feel like we have progressed, think they have a "black" president. I know a wolf in sheep's clothing when I see one. AE writes: I have no problem being a bigot, I am just not a racist. ... Maybe skin color has nothing to do with, maybe its all climate, and people from areas in the Tropics just fit into this, but then you get a Nation Like Costa Rica, that is in the tropics but is only 3% black, and guess what? none of the problems that the other tropical countries have! I want to believe that its not because they are black, but I just have not seen any evidence to the contrary. ... well shit if Cuba is 85% black, I change my mind about going there. AE writes: marrying black chicks is a basic human right!?! roflmfao AE writes: Theodoric writes: AE writes: the rules of God in the OT apply only to the Hebrews, thier people. Its easy for me to see why nobody likes the Jews, you are helping make that debate clear...this nobody is the the plethora of cultures throughout history who have not been kind to the Jews and thier ideas of being the most superior people on earth. So it is the jews fault that there were progroms and the holocaust? why limit the vast history of the hebrews to the last 100 years? their enemies stretch back to the bronze age. Would you call the Egyptians antisemitic, how about the Assyrians, or the Babylonians, or the Romans? Is anyone in any culture or society (in the past 4000 years) who is not for israel, automatically a racist antisemite? I think a little more diplomacy on thier end could have helped them a bit. Obvious antisemtism. further quotes by AE:
Artemis Entreri writes: all the states as of 1868, maybe, but not ALL THE STATES. and it took until 2003 for all the states that were states in 1868 to accept it, which definately tells me its probably a shady amendment. The validity of the 14th Amendment has been challenged for a long time. It was ratified right after the Civil War, and the 13 Confederate States did not have thier Congressmen and Senators present. basically it was hastily pushed through before any disention could take place. In fact Confederate States were not allowed back into the Union unless they agree to ratify this amendment (wow lots of freemdom there!). the way this amendment was swindled into the constitution is complete BS. Of course what is the 14th Amendment? It is the Amendement which provides citizenship to the newly emancipated black slaves after the Civil War.
14th Amendment Section 1 writes: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Anyone see a problem with the 14th ammendment? Really?!? I will not only stand by the proverb but will emblish it: "If it talks like a white supremist and acts like a white supremist ...." Heck you may not have the membership card but you seem to have the same mission statement.
thanks for at lead being honest in saying you have no basis to debate, but can only revert to name calling when some one shares a view that is different than yours. What do you want to debate? I am all ears. Tell me that you have hundreds of black and Jewish friends and that you are really not a racist.
Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again. That required a lot of brain power. Did you just make that up? Tag, no tag backs. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: 06-05-2008
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Re: Ever Seen a Duck?
Of course I would not expect you to understand, or you are twisting my words, one is ignorant and the other is dishonest, which are you? Neither, I am just repeating back your previous comments.
The problem is not the 14th amendment, but how it was passed and under the conditions that it was passed. I take it you are an advocate of the term "War of Northern Aggression" as a subsitute for the Civil War. As a Southerner myself for over 37 years, the only time I have seen arguments like yours are from blatant racists and bigots.
You are all hung up on slavery, or thinking I think blacks are inferior (which is not what I said at all). I am not sure what your thoughts on the above are, I am just going off of the comments that you have already posted on this board, which seem to indicate you believe that whites are superior than other races for whatever reason.
This is really not relevant to what we are talking about in this thread though. I am just commenting on your racially toned remarks, that is all. If you want to continue to deflect go ahead and do so, but it won't erase your past remarks.
You are the same as those people who said this about Barry Goldwater in the 1960s, and what the talking heads at MSNBC say today about Rand Paul, for having the idea that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is unconstitutional. Instead of looking to the argument, and seeing what is being claimed you jump to they don’t like black people, I think probably because you can’t defend the accusation other than to attack those making them through liberal character assassination. Reading your past coments, you yourself imply that you would not want to live in areas with a lot of black people and imply that black people have a natural tendancy for violance and criminality. I am just throwing this back into your face. If you want to call it "liberal character assassination" fine. Many of us rational people call it an honest assessment of your previous comments on this board.
Are you fucking retarded? Saying it does not make it so. Ok, whatever floats your boat. I am just giving my assessment on your stereotyping and racially insensitive remarks.
BTW Jews are white people. It depends on what you consider "white people". That is like saying Japanese are "white people". Most people and governmental institutions associate Caucasians as "white people". People of Jewish descent are of semetic decent not caucasian. Of course I hate all the grouping by race thing in the first place. But I am just stating what is common practice.
So you are telling me that I am anti-white-people white supremist? Huh? What are you talking about? What anti-white people are you talking about? Was this more of your racial Freudian slips?
Well at least you tried this time, by bringing up other posts and trying to show, why you think I am a white supremist; you are still being a prick about it rather than, a tolerant open minded objective scientist, like I know you think you are. I could really care less what you think about me, as you know nothing about me. I am just commenting on your remarks on this board, nothing more. If I am wrong, I am wrong. However, I think many others here would agree with me.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: 06-05-2008
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Re: Ever Seen a Jew?
Well since you asked, I made a very broad and quick map (took me about 10min). Favor, can you make your map zoomable. I can't make out the details. You can do this by enclosing it in 'thumb' tags. Thanks.
BTW the majority of Jews today may speak a Semitic Language (Hebrew), but are ethnically German and Eastern Europeans. They are called Ashkenazi, and they make up a vast majority of the Jewish population of the world today. And are white. Perhaps you have heard of the Ashkenazi language: Yiddish. While written in the Hebrew alphabet, its is composed of Hebrew, Aramaic (both Semitic languages), Slavic, German, and Romance languages (Indo-European languages). Thanks for the history lesson from Wikipedia. I am pretty familiar with the Jewish race and its ethnic and religious origins.
Wikipedia is not a credible peer reviewed scientific source. It is a conglomeration of articles written by a wide variety of people, sometimes they are accurate, sometimes not.
It is incorrect to refer to Jews as anything but white, and your silly comparison to calling Japanese white, is little more than the silly comparisons you make in almost every post. Um, ok. My point was that calling people "white" or "black" or "oriental" is totally inaccurate. We are all shades of tan and skin color been scientifically proven not to have any bearing on one's mental capacity or preponderance for violance. Culture (non-genetic social norms passed down from generation to generation) has more to do with how people act than skin color. Judaism is a religion and a culture not a race. Jews come from a wide variety of ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. So I guess technically we are both wrong. Jews originally came from a Semetic ethnic stock. However, you are right in that in the past 2000-3000 years Jews have intermarried with other ethnicities, including Europeans, and thus are harder to physically distinguish. Most people think Jesus was this white caucasian dude with long flowing blond hair and beard (kind of like a young Charles Manson). That is far from the truth. He probably look more Arab than anything else, with kinky hair and medium dark skin. As far as being considered Caucasian, I think that only in the past 20-30 years through genetic research and DNA analysis have Arabs and other Semetic ethnicities been grouped into the caucasian category. However, colloqualy many still do not consider people of Jewish and Arab descent as caucasians. In face the term 'caucasian' has only been really used within the last 150 years or so. Again, I am not a big advocate of grouping people just by the color of there skin unless it is required for clinical or scientific research. Just my thoughts on the matter.
You want to talk evidence, I’ll talk evidence, and the evidence says you have no idea what you are talking about when it come to Jews. BTW, my grandmother was from Jewish ancestry and my brother-in-law and nephew are Jewish by blood though my brother-in-law is a non-practicing Jew.
You said I was an Anti-Semitic. Actually I never said your were anti-semitic.
White Supremacist. Yes, I did call you that based on your previous comments. You were stereotyping all people of other races (namely African Americans) as having a propensity for violance and criminality.
And since I have all the evidence that clearly states that Semitic peoples are white, you claimed I was Anti-White (Semitic), White Supremacist. Again I never called you anti-semtic.
Which like most of your ideas, makes little sense. If you claim not to be racist, I believe you. However how do you explain your previous racially insensitive remarks. Maybe I should just place your previous comments in the same category as Don Imus's 'nappy-headed hos' comments; that is racially insensitive and wrong but not necessarily pre-meditatively racist. There I admited I am wrong. Happy? Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Message 255 of 404 (569747)
07-23-2010 4:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 254 by Coyote
07-23-2010 10:58 AM
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Re: Ever Seen a Jew?
Depends on how many classifications you have. If you have only the traditional three, Caucasian extends from Norway to North Africa to India, and through much of Eurasia. At least that's what I learned in a Human Races class in graduate school a few decades back.
Exactly my point, dividing up human beings soley by skin color is arbitrary and has evolved over time.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Re: Ever Seen a Jew?
Artemis Entreri writes: I never mentioned classification, I said Jews always were Caucasian. ??? Is Caucasian not a classification???
shit it didn;t work i'll have to try agains later Thanks for trying.
yep, no argument from me, I was just making an obsevation that seems to be common of the Homo sapiens sapiens that have dark skin and originate from subsaharan africa. And what would that be? That they naturally have a propensity to be criminals? That is called stereotyping and being prejudice.
And how even though we are are the same race biologically, its weird that one color morph of our species stands out in certain ways and appears to have certain traits. And you don't think some of them see us the same way? As standing out in certain ways and having certain undesirable traits? Racism is racism, stereotyping is stereotyping whether it is exhibited by a white, black, or purple person.
I know we are all the same race, which is another reason calling me a racist does not make alot of sense. If you deem another race/ethnic group's actions/behavior as undesirable, than that means you believe your race/ethnic group's actions are more desirable and acceptable. That is the core definition of what racism means:
Merriam-Webster writes: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race I do not think that Jews really come from a wide variety of ethnicities and backgrounds. there is the original, and those the original bred with. Agreed. However, in the 3000+ years since there birth as an ethnicity they have intermarried (both physically and culturally) with a lot of other cultures and ethnicities. That was my point.
Judaism is a ethnic religion. While they technically "accept" converts, those are never really seen as truely Jewish, and Jews are not evangelizers/converters like Christians and Mulsims are. True.
Really the true way to become a Jew is to be born a Jew from a Jew mother. and I agree that Jew is not a race, but people who are Jewish are white (I am sure there are some Black Jews out there, but I am also sure they are probably less than 1% of the total Jews). It depends on what you constitute as white? The very definition of the term 'white' in regards to race, has evolved over time. If you told anyone in America 50 years ago that Jews were white they would probably ridicule you. Not to say that this is correct, but that the term 'white' is an arbitrary term.
well I do, and I have. I do not who this "many" is that you speak of. I think the Suerians, Egyptians, Phoencians, Cretes, and Mycenaens were all white as well. Ditto, see above.
are they white? What constitutes 'white'? I am not big on using skin color to categorize people. Is a malato white? Is a hapa white? How about Ethiopian Jews, such as Haim Salem, a 27 year old Ethiopian-born Jew? No he was not a convert. People of Jewish decent have been living in Ethiopia since before Jesus birth.
Compare this to more Caucasian looking Jews:
Thus grouping all Jews as Caucasians is not totally accurate either.
to me racism is about superiority, and inferiority. I do not find black people biologically inferior, nor do i feel white people are biologically superior. Yet, you group people together by the color of their skin and say they all act the same way and that it is not acceptable how they act/behave. You may not be coming right out and saying that you are superior and they are inferior but you are implying it by saying that race's behavior is unacceptable. Do you really believe all black people act the same way? Behave the same way? Do you see how stupid and ridiculously ignorant dividing and stereotyping people on racial lines is?
But i do see many things that I find in black, cities towns, and hoods that I do not like. And let me guess, their are absolutely no white people or people of other races that live on the wrong side of the tracks aka the Ghetto that you talk about? There are no 'white' people who commit crimes or who despicable things. I think you’re getting hung up on race when the issue is more of a cultural issue that goes across racial lines. Poverty has a large factor in how people of any race act. It is a known statistic that the lower the standard of living and family income the higher the crime rate goes up. When people become desperate than they become more susceptible at odds with the rest of society. This is socioeconomical fact, whether people are black, white, purple or blue makes no difference. If history was turned on its ear and the roles were reversed, with the Caucasians as the suppressed minority and blacks as the original colonization superpower, I would bet my bottom dollar that the exact same effects would come out with large percentages of white people living in the slums of inner cities and the majority of black people living in middle and upper class society.
I do not see these things (in my personal experience) in the barrio, chinatown, the korean hood, or with south asians (Indians). What specific things are you talking about?
pages ago I said: that for some reason in our day and age it was taboo to talk about why one may think blacks have problems, and what those problems are and how you feel about them. It goes both ways. Many 'whites' have issues when 'blacks' talk about problems about the 'whites'. Their are still deep racial divides in our country and unfortunately both sides still are unwilling to resolve a lot of these issues. Again, it goes both ways. Believe me I have seen it first hand, myself being from the South.
I was lulled into thinking this forum was a place of objective and open-minded people, where I could really talk about this, and there are a few people who can "think outside the box" here, but for the most part my prediction was correct about most of the users here. Stereotyping the behavior of a race of people is not 'thinking outside the box' and furthermore it is not logical. If we were as intolerant as you make us out to be, than I wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
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Re: Still don't get it?
well i dont want to get all into semantics, but well ok nevermind. they have been emancipated in the south since 1863, and in the border states since 1868, and in places like my home state of PR Illinios since 1818. and as far as that 2nd class citixen thing goes, almost every group went through that, see the Irish, and the Italians for great examples. Is this somehow supposed to excuse their inhumane treatment? Emancipated, yes. Given the same rights and freedoms as their white counterparts, no. Jim Crow laws existed until the mid-1960s, which is still within the lifetime of many African-Americans.
This already happend in the 1980s and 1990s in the former Rhodesia, except the whites immigrated away similar to a white flight, and then the nation that became Zimbabwe went to shit. Yeah, I am sure the black citizens of that country loved their treatment under the white colonialists who exploited and outright stole their land, cattle and natural resources. This is essentially the exact same thing Europeans did when they exploited Native Americans in the name of Manifest Destiny. Now put yourself in the black Africans or Native American shoes and see if you would feel the same way. Talk about bigotry and intolerance.
the same thing is occuring right now today in South Africa, as they are realizing the dream is over, its time to leave as there are too many blacks, and thier desire to literally fuck the country to death (by the spread of AIDS), I could be wrong but I know some former south africans who are now americans, and have heard to much about the horror story that is South Africa. its well on its way to going to shit. This has nothing to do with the color of the skin and has everything to do with enslaving and exploiting a group people for hundreds of years and than totally removing all forms of political and economical stability from a country with no desire to help these people form a stable government. As far as AIDS, this is a catch-22. AIDS is perpetuating an already spiraling down economical, political and educational system and the inadequate sex education, political corruption and poverty increases the AIDS rate. You do realize not everyone around the world are as well educated as we are, right? Most of these people would be a lot more grateful than us of the luxurious life style we have. Most are lucky to have a child that lives past the age of 2, to have a roof over their head (I am not even talking about running water or sewage) or enough food to feed their families maybe once a day if that. Again, when people become desperate whether they be black or white or anywhere in-between, than the morality of society itself breaks down. Take a group of white people, stick them in the same conditions and see what happens. Oh, right, that already happened back in the Middle Ages. Yes, that is right, most Caucasians have a 700-800 year lead in technology, politics and education than many African countries. Almost all of these countries have only been liberated in the last 40-50 years, some only within the last 20 years. I am not going to pull anymore punches with you Artimes. I tried being nice and try to understand your point of view but you did not reciprocate. Instead of trying to provide solutions you bitch and whine about your cushy life in America and how you don't want to be near black people because you think they are shitty people. I am pretty sure you know that not all black people are the people you make them out to be. You just project all your insecurities and fears on them for whatever reason. It is people like you who perpetuate the problem instead of help to solve it.
I could be wrong but I know some former south africans who are now americans, and have heard to much about the horror story that is South Africa. its well on its way to going to shit. So do you group these former South Africans you know, in with the rest of the blacks you keep on stereotyping? Are they shitty people too? What the fuck is your point? What are you implying? What is it about black people in particular you do not like? Is it because they don't act like you? Are you just bigoted against anyone that doesn't act and look like you? What the fuck?!?
you could guess exactly what I was referring to when I typed the same sentence (which you also quoted) about black cities and towns, yet when I mention another ethic/cultural group you draw a blank and ask for me to be more specific. Because you are so fucking wishy-washy, saying you don't like being around black people and then mention your associations with them aka "I have black friends" bullshit. I have no clue what you are trying to say. Just fucking come out clean and say you don't like black people for no fucking reason other than they are black and they don't act just like you. Just get it off your chest. Grow a pair and act like a man instead of a spoiled, self-indulgent kid who has no empathy or compassion for those who don't have the education, wealth and resources you have. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Message 269 of 404 (570189)
07-26-2010 6:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 267 by Huntard
07-26-2010 5:47 AM
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Re: Ever Seen a Jew?
Well, "Jew" isn't really a racial definition, now is it? Neither is "Christian" or "Muslim". I mean, is this a "Christian": Exactly my point to AE. Judaism is a religion. Maybe at one point in history Judaism was tied to a specific genetic gene pool or ethnicity aka the Israelited or Hebrews, however that is no longer the case. Even Judaism, which frowns upon intermarriage, intermarriage has inevitably occurer over the past several thousand years and the original genetic stock of this socioreligious system has become diluted. That along with converts from other ethnicities has resulted in a multi-racial/multi-ethnic conglomeration of believers of this faith. Today, Judaism encompasses people from around the world of many different ancestries: Ashkenazim (descendants of Jews who migrated into northern France and Germany around 800-1000 AD, and later into Eastern Europe), Romaniotes (Greek-speaking Jews from the Balkans), Sephardim (Jews whose ancestors lived in Spain or Portugal), San Nicandro Jews (group of mid-20th century converts from Italy), Subbotniks (group of Jews from Azerbaijan and Armenia, whose ancestors were Russian peasants who converted to Judaism), Krymchaks and Karaim (Turkic-speaking Jews of the Crimea and Eastern Europe), Bukharian Jews (Jews from Central Asia), Yemenite Jews (Oriental Jews), Egyptian Jews (Jews thought to have descended from the great Jewish communities of Hellenistic Alexandria, mixed with many more recent groups of immigrants), Jews of the Bilad el-Sudan (West Africa), Cochin Jews (Indian Jews from south-western India), Chinese Jews (an ancient Jewish community in China, descended from merchants living in China from at least the era of the Tang dynasty), B'nai Moshe (converts to Judaism originally from Trujillo, Peru), etc, etc. Some come from the original Hebrew stock and many from ancient and more modern converts. Now are you going to tell me AE that all the below Jews are the same race and ethnicity Sephardi Jews:
Indian Jews:
Ashkenazi Jewish family:
Bukharan Jewish teacher and students in Samarkand, modern-day Uzbekistan:
Amazonian Jews:
Kurdish Jews in Rawanduz, Iraqi Kurdistan:
Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China:
Ethiopian Jews:
Therefore, modern day Judaism, like Christianity and any other religion in the modern age is more of a religious worldview than a single race or ethnicity. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Re: Still don't get it?
AE writes: I bet there is well over 500 white ancestries, but a white person is still a white person nomatter if they are from Iceland, or Iran. What is the scientific definition of a 'white' person? What properties differentiate a white person from a non-white person? Is an Iranian or an Egyptian closer genetically to a 'white' Norwegian or a 'black' Ethiopian? How about polynesians? Or Native Americans? How about australian aboriginies? How about people from India? My point? It is all fucking arbitrary. What you consider a' white' person and what another person consider a 'white' person is totally subjective and arbitrary. We are all shades of brown my friend.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: 06-05-2008
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Re: Another racist epic fail: Artemis Entreri proves we are all shades of white
Artemis Entreri writes: there is some genetic evidence that Homo neaderthalensis and Homo sapiens interbred with each other. This interbreeding occured outside of Africa, mostly in west Asia, and Europe. Sub Saharan Africans do not have this genetic information, because they did not breed with Homo neaderthalensis. So at the very least there is genetic properties that differentiate White people and black people right there.
All this study shows is that at one time in early homo sapien sapien evolution the Neanderthals interbred more with Eurasians than they did with the humans living in Sub-Sahara Africa. This has nothing to do with being 'white' or 'non-white'. If we investigate this article fully and take your inane reasoning given above to its logical end, than Japanese, Chinese and Papuan New Guineans (and therefore their polynesian, australian aborigine and native american descendents) are 'white' too, as shown below:
'A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome'; Science 7 May 2010: Vol. 328. no. 5979, pp. 710 - 722 writes: We find that the Neandertals are equally close to Europeans and East Asians. and
'A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome'; Science 7 May 2010: Vol. 328. no. 5979, pp. 710 - 722 writes: A striking observation is that Neandertals are as closely related to a Chinese and Papuan individual as to a French individual, even though morphologically recognizable Neandertals exist only in the fossil record of Europe and western Asia. Thus, the gene flow between Neandertals and modern humans that we detect most likely occurred before the divergence of Europeans, East Asians, and Papuans. This may be explained by mixing of early modern humans ancestral to present-day non-Africans with Neandertals in the Middle East before their expansion into Eurasia. Such a scenario is compatible with the archaeological record, which shows that modern humans appeared in the Middle East before 100,000 years ago whereas the Neandertals existed in the same region after this time, probably until 50,000 years ago. In fact by the above 'all Eurasians are related to Neanderthals' criteria, the entire world except for subsaharan African's would be considered 'white'. Furthermore, since many African-Americans are descendents of sub-Saharan African slaves many of which interbred with Europeans, American colonialists and southern Plantationists, they are really 'white' as well. And even further, many sub-Saharan Africans interbred with Europens, Arabs, Phonecians, Chinese, and people of India than they truly are white as well. In the end everyone is shades of white. In conclusion, how does evidence that Neanderthals at one time interbred with Eurasians differentiate 'whites' from 'blacks' (i.e. are Neanderthals considered 'white'? If so why?) and how the heck does this play into your idea that modern 'blacks can't get thier shit together', tens of thousands of years after Neandethals died out? Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: 06-05-2008
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Re: strawman AND moving the goalposts, you must be getting desparate!
all you asked is for one example of how whites and black are different outside of "My" arbitrary opinion. I gave you one, with Scientific evidence to back it up...  Give me a fucking break AE. I ask you for an example of what significantly differentiates white from black people and you show me a scientific article that indicates that 50-80,000 years ago Neandethals interbred more with Eurasians than with people from sub-saharan Africa. What the heck does this have to with blacks being 'unable to get their shit together'. You still have not been able to logically connect the dots. It is painfully obvious from your remarks about not wanting to be near black people that you think there is something inherently wrong with 'black people'. Or are you going to acknowledge the truth that non-'black' people have as many hang-ups and issues that 'black' people do and it has nothing to do with the color of someones skin.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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