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Message 26 of 404 (566534)
06-25-2010 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by riVeRraT
06-25-2010 7:14 AM


Re: Racist?
I am having trouble figureing out why you care what these fools on here think about you and your views.
How can a black man come out of a white vagina? how can a man be black when his mother and the people who raise him are white. he has no black culture, and aside from looking in the mirror, really has nothing to be "black" about. Let those who feel like we have progressed, think they have a "black" president. I know a wolf in sheep's clothing when I see one.

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Message 95 of 404 (567258)
06-30-2010 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by New Cat's Eye
06-29-2010 5:19 PM


Re: KRS One on the word nigga -vs- nigg(er)
"Muslims" is (or are) not a race!
Neither are Jews
Catholic Scientist writes:
? Was that him? In the intro to a song or something?
No it was Ceelo Green. at that time he was with Goodie Mob (now I think he is in Gnarls Barkley). It was from the 1st track of the Goodie Mob album "Still Standing" from 1998. the name of the song is 'The Experience'. You can hear it here. The line you brought up is from near the end of the song. I like the line right before that one you mentioned:
quote:
So many black me out here tyring to be niggas, keepin it real to tha point that they dying to be niggas"
good call though, great song great line, Its just not KRS.
KRS writes:
Throw in the towel, the devil is Colin Powell
You talk about being African and being black
Colin Powell's black, but Libya he'll attack
Libya's in Africa, but a black man
will lead a black man, to fight against his homeland
LOL, as if Libyans are black Africans. Knowledge Reigns Supreme? maybe if you had some geographical and historical knowledge about Africa, your lyrics would make sense, instead of sounding like the absence of knowledge.
Libya, hmm (1st ruled by Phoenicians, Then Greeks, then Romans, then Arabs, then Italians; none of these people sound black to me). Silly KRS, the Egyptians weren't black either bro.
Not very politically correct, yes, but it's better than having to labor all day in the field while being treated worse than an animal.
being treated worse than an animal? you must be talking about the Irish.

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Message 100 of 404 (567301)
06-30-2010 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by onifre
06-30-2010 12:24 PM


Re: KRS One on the word nigga -vs- nigg(er)
Were you hoping KRS One was reading this?
No I just think its funny to listen to African-Americans talk about Africa, as they usually have no clue what they are talking about.
Anyway... he said a black man will lead a black man to attack his homeland, as in Africa, and any place within that entire continent. His issue isn't about color.
BS. if color was not important he would not have brought up the word black so much. Unless he was just coincedentally searching for something to rhyme with attack, but even i think he has more skills than for that to be true. His issue to me sounds like he has a problem with black men, who work for something he doesn't believe in. Sounds like a bigot and a hater to me. Is it not he himself (KRS One) turning upon black men in his home nation, while condeming the same action in the lyrics. black guys and thier double standards, oh well.
Imagine that, loving poeple...
weird. people suck.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 103 of 404 (567324)
06-30-2010 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
06-30-2010 2:12 PM


Re: KRS One on the word nigga -vs- nigg(er)
So I think its kinda funny to talk about blacks attacking blacks in Libya.
quote:
you better act like you know
I think AE has a point.
quote:
YOU...MUST...LEARN!

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Message 105 of 404 (567454)
07-01-2010 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by New Cat's Eye
06-30-2010 4:07 PM


I was using KRS One quotes to "answer" things you typed that I agreed with, in a sarcastic way. Its not as funny when you have to explain the joke. Many KRS One fans treat him like he is something more than a street poet, like the Knowledge he drops has any scholarly merit. don't get it twisted, he got mad skillz, but he is a poser with all that Kris the teacher BS.

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Message 114 of 404 (567583)
07-01-2010 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by onifre
07-01-2010 10:25 AM


Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
First, it's Teacha, not Teacher. Theach(er) is racist.
Second, "don't get it twisted, he got mad skillz"...? And you're calling KRS One a poser? Or was that you trying to be sarcastic again?
man I swear you are just not understanding me on purpose. He is a fine MC, his flows are tight, he can battle like no one's business, he is the blastmasta, but when it comes to knowledge he is a little lacking. Definately not lacking in confidence, because confindence is what you to to be successful behind the mic.
the reason I swear you are misunderstanding me on purpose, is because Catholic Scientist get's everything I just said, and does most of the time when you do not. Maybe CS is just smarter, I dunno.
It's usually not a joke when you have to explain it.
being a fan of KRS One you totally knew what i meant. CS is obviously not really a fan.
I'm cuban from Miami, Hialeah no less,
"YES Cuban-bee!--Samson Simpson" sry its to hard for me to resist quoting a favorite pothead movie.
you think I had a choice as to what culture I'd be influenced by?
Cubano? My guess would be that you are raised by Roman Catholics, who are probably Republicans, well at least if your family was among those totally fucked by John F. Kennedy.
Hispanic, Catholic, Republican: you should be on "OUR SIDE". Or are you just some sort of rebel, who like to go against his nature and culture?
Absolutely no such statement was suggested...at all. He clearly just has issue with a black person sending black troups to attack their motherland, regardless of what race, religion, color, etc. that particular country has in it. He never suggests Libyans are black, that's just your whiteness reading these words incorrectly.
Still Libya is not the motherland for black people, and it never was. If you as a black man think all of africa is the motherland for all black people, then you should not have an alias that has anything to do with teacher or knowledge. It's wrong and incorrect, that aint droppin knowledge, that is droppin ignorance.

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Message 115 of 404 (567589)
07-01-2010 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Hyroglyphx
06-30-2010 3:04 PM


e: KRS One on the word nigga -vs- nigg(er)
I find that often the most outspoken critics of racism tend to have racist tendencies themselves. I don't like hearing black people calling other black people Uncle Tom's, as if black people are supposed to act a certain way on account of their blackness. Race doesn't determine personality, culture and nature does.
Word.
One of my favorite talk-radio programs that I listen to everyday, and have for the past 10 years, is called "the Howard Stern Show". There is a commentator on this show named Robin Quivers. She is Black. She does, not "talk black", and does not "do black things", and works with "white people" and sometimes hangs out with "white people". According to many this makes her an 'Uncle Tom'. Its always funny when some one calls in and makes that claim (99% of the time a black person), and Howard clowns on that fool hard.
I have come to think that 'Uncle Tom' is a slur used by haters, who are jealous of more successful black people than themselves, and that is it. They are just Hating, like KRS One in the before mentioned song.

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Message 117 of 404 (567719)
07-02-2010 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by caffeine
07-02-2010 5:29 AM


Re: KRS One on the word nigga -vs- nigg(er)
Just be thankful that 12% of your nations population is not filled with these people. It is extremely anoying. You have to coddle them to the point of constantly patronizing them, and you can only say positive things, and talk about how they are growing up and getting better, and changing for the better. If you say anything negative (or truthful), give any sort of critism for thier ways of doing things (or not doing anything), then you are automatically a racist. Some genius out there on this site, thinks this post is racist, but all I am doing is "keeping it real".

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Message 122 of 404 (567843)
07-02-2010 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by onifre
07-02-2010 12:53 PM


Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
onifre writes:
...then you're on your own. To me, the way I heard it
yeah that is the rub. how I hear it compared to how you hear it. sounds like some dan to me talking about some nonsense, to you it sounds like something else.
Well, isn't that a huge who gives a fuck?
yeah it has been the whole time, I was making fun of KRS One for talking nonsense, somebody got it, you didn't, big deal.
onifre writes:
I'm not a rebel, just a free-thinker. But my point was, and you confirmed it, that you can, just by knowing where I'm from, know the culture that influenced me. Religion aside, because while I was raised Catholic, it never was a big deal, for many other issues I side very much with the opinions of many of my race. Granted, my generation, not the one who got here in the late 60's early 70's. And far less with those who got here in the 80's.
But there was no choice as to which culture would influence me, and being that 80% of my friends think the same, the culture had a lot to do with shaping their adult opinions.
just three quick questions.
1. Were you born here? (hard to be Cuban if you have never been there)
2. Do you speak spanish? (hard to claim a culture and not speak the language)
3. Were you confirmed, as in the sacrement? (even if you don't belive in God, after confirmation all you can be is a bad-catholic)
onifre writes:
I think that name of 'teacha' and that of 'dropin' knowledge' is given to him because, unlike almost all others in the hip hop world, he actually raps about social and political issues.
man I thought you wanted to drop this. ok...
unlike almost all others? fo real? maybe you have never heard of: 2Pac, Blue Scholars, The Coup, Da Lench Mob, Dead Prez, The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, Emcee Lynx, Michael Franti, The Goats, Immortal Technique, Sage Francis, Lost Children of Babylon, Lowkey, Lupe Fiasco, M.I.A. (artist), Mr. Lif, Mos Def, Native Guns, Shahin najafi, The Narcicyst, Paris, The Perceptionists, Poor Righteous Teachers, Public Enemy, Psycho Realm, Rebel Diaz, Street Sweeper Social Club, The Visionaries, Saul Williams, X-Clan... to name a few
A lot of kids from ghettos and poor neighborhoods have never even heard of Libya, or Colin Powell, so at least he brings these topics up in his music.
I hear ya, but bringing them up in a incorrect and misleading fashion is, whether the thought was genuine or not, not any different than propaganda.
Now, to a kid from the suburbs, who goes to a good school and learns these subjects every day, sure, maybe KRS One isn't that impressive. But then again that isn't the audience he's trying to get at with his lyrics.
so his music isn't for informed educated people? is that what you are trying to say, I don't want to strawman you here? that is a pretty wak way to describe KRS One. its like bad education for the dumb poor people, I hope i am missing your point, because what i think im reading is messed up.
onifre writes:
All races, religions, ethnic groups stick together, why get on blacks for doing it too?
are you a segregationist (SARCASM)?
What people...?
(let me spell it out for this one guy who wants to read everything 10 times) Blacks.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 124 of 404 (567856)
07-02-2010 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by onifre
07-02-2010 6:17 PM


Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
onifre writes:
Why did you ignore the points I made and quote mined everything else?
I thought we were droppin it, as in that part of the debate. you if you want to have the last word then ok.
Therefore it is not a good joke because it lacks the key element of KRS suggesting Libyans are black, and more so it is just plain wrong. CS finally admitted it.
well it always was me and cs thinking he thought black were from libya just because Libya is in africa. then you said you didn't think it was about that, and that it was about a black man leading balck troop against his homeland, except the homeland (Libya) is not a black homeland, which is still funny, because its the same piont, of KRS not having a clue what he is talking about.
1. Born here, never visited the Island. Consider myself hispanic, also in Miami refered to as Cuban-American cause I'm first generation born here.
2. Yes, perfectly well. Write it and read it too.
3. Baptism and Communion only.
ok right on
1. Right on. Like a Chicano, but the Cuban version. man I can't wait till they open that place up again, Ima be one of the 1st gringos there (outside of the USMC base). Dorado, Cobia, Marlin, Can't wait, fish from Key West to Havanna.
2. sounds good. I think I am going to have to agree with you here.
3. yeah I agree (i hope this aint a sign of the apocalypse)
onifre writes:
I'm sure its for anyone who would like to listen to it, I said target audience with his message. Don't try to lead me into something I didn't say.
My point is, he's considered by his community a teacher of some sorts. It may not impress you that he's called that but someone saw fit to label him that.
And again, since you skipped the points I made, how is he poorly educating anyone? He never ever suggested Libyans were black.
I am not trying to lead you into something and its exactly why I said what I said, because you noramlly make alot of sense (whether I agree or not), and I was starting to have trouble "hearing you".
I am going to have to ask you to restate your points (its not like you haven't had me do it), because I totally missed them. So let's say I agree with you that he never suggested that Libyans were black, he still suggested that a black general leading black troops into Libya was attack the "black" motherland, which to me is the same thing.
the somebody that labeled him tha teacha? was himself. he is a community leader because he says he is, in like 99% of his interviews.
Basically
black man leads blacks to attack not black place that is a black homeland. its silly, knowledge dont reign supreme, not in that line.
onifre writes:
So you feel Caffeine should be thankful that "12% of his nation's population is not filled with black people"...?
yep
onifre writes:
Racist a bit?
quote:
Some genius out there on this site, thinks this post is racist, but all I am doing is "keeping it real".
ha i called it.
why are blacks immune to criticism? why is criticizing them racist?
Are you Black?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 129 of 404 (568535)
07-06-2010 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by DrJones*
07-06-2010 1:11 AM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
And no, I'm not black. But why does that matter?
It's currently available to do btw, even for gringos. You just have to be wealthy.
I heard about it last time I was in Key West, but I work for Uncle Sam and If i get fired for doing something stupid on Vacation, Amsterdam, Netherlands will be involved, and not illegally spending money in Cuba.
Some struggling comic rejecting Catholicism is the apocalypse? I doubt that the universe cares enough about me to make me and my beliefs the center of any end-of-the-world situation.
No I said that because I agreed with you.
Blacks aren't immune to criticism, but you really didn't criticize them. You just said be lucky you don't have blacks in your country. That's just a bigoted statement. You gave no reason other than opinion.
I have no problem being a bigot, I am just not a racist.
be them white, black or hispanic, everyone's race is equally shitty to some degree.
yeah white people are warlike and don't get along with anyone, blacks can't get thier shit together, and hispanic is not a race (you can be white hispanic, black hispanic, mestizo hispanic, mulatto hispanic, etc.)
I just can't ever come up with any nations where the majority of the population is black, the government is mainly black, and the nation isn't under educated, impoverished, and where a third of the popuation or more has HIV or AIDS. There are 47 nations to choose from in Africa, and probably a dozen in the Carribean, and they all have the same shitty problems, its just weird to me.
Maybe skin color has nothing to do with, maybe its all climate, and people from areas in the Tropics just fit into this, but then you get a Nation Like Costa Rica, that is in the tropics but is only 3% black, and guess what? none of the problems that the other tropical countries have!
I want to believe that its not because they are black, but I just have not seen any evidence to the contrary. I realize there is evidence that says there are no races and that we are the same, but then why can they not make it the same way lighter skinned ones can? its mind boggling, from my perspective I am just reviewing my own evidence, and making a statement about it, unfourtunately its not PC so I must be called names.
And no, I'm not black. But why does that matter?
Being of Mexican (mestizo), hispanic descent, I forget sometimes that the carribean Hispanics can be black and hispanic sometimes (Cubanos, Puerto Ricans, Domincans, Etc.). and I was just wondering, it does not matter.

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Message 134 of 404 (568749)
07-14-2010 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by onifre
07-06-2010 3:39 PM


Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
well shit if Cuba is 85% black, I change my mind about going there.

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Message 138 of 404 (568955)
07-19-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by DevilsAdvocate
07-18-2010 7:08 AM


Re: Droppin knowledge, you better recognize.
KKK, white supremacy, LOL.
Because they allow blatant ignorance, and blatant ad hominem, like your self.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 173 of 404 (569147)
07-20-2010 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by DevilsAdvocate
07-19-2010 5:58 PM


Ever Seen a Duck?
obviously you don't know shit about ducks either. You called me a supremacist, which is entirely false, but I can see you need no evidence to back up your claims, since you are so full of shit to begin with.
thanks for at lead being honest in saying you have no basis to debate, but can only revert to name calling when some one shares a view that is different than yours.
Usually the 1st person to call someone else a bigot is the real bigot, thanks for proving this to be true yet once again.

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Message 174 of 404 (569148)
07-20-2010 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 7:48 PM


Re: Everyone's racist once in a while...it's Hollywood, man!
Maybe if I changed my name, and claimed to be a raging liberal, you guys would read my stuff differently.
the most truthful thing i have read here in a long time. of course they would, this is one of the least objective message boards I have ever been too. It what really makes it entertaining, the fact that liberals are all one way in a science v. religion debate, but make it political, and they contradict half the things the harp on in other forums. the double standard and moderated bias at eVc really makes this site a joke, but then I do come here for the comedy, and this place has yet to disappoint, on that front.

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