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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
greentwiga
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Message 41 of 295 (568462)
07-06-2010 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by purpledawn
07-05-2010 9:44 PM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
As is currently interpreted, the stories are contradictory. That does not mean that the Bible is contradictory. Another interpretation could make it perfectly accurate history.
Take the Garden of Eden. Once one realizes that it is talking about the start of Agriculture, there is no contradiction. The plants created after Adam are only the plants of the field. All scientists would agree that domesticated plants were created after man, in fact by man. They did not exist when there was no man to till the soil. The plants were domesticated immediately after the Younger Dryas, when the rains finally returned.
The location is between the Tigris and Euphrates, in the zone where figs and wheat grows. There is only one mountain there, the volcano Karacadag. German scientists state that wheat was domesticated there, along with Chickpeas, lentils and sheep there or the immediate area.
Of course, either mankind was created there, or Gen 1 creation of man was in Kenya area, and was a completely different event. This is a reasonable interpretation also.
Other details, such as the talking serpent are also true, in that they are referring to religious beliefs of the time. The bible, linking the Serpent to Satan, is rejecting this other religious belief.
As it turns out, the story of Adam in the Garden is more accurate than even the fundamentalists teach.

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greentwiga
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Message 45 of 295 (568534)
07-06-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by purpledawn
07-06-2010 9:14 AM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
Since the Redactor joined the two stories without fixing the order, this is evidence that he knew they were foundational myths. The creation stories weren't critical to the Jewish religion.
Redactor? Sounds like you made an interpretation and now treat the interpretation as fact. If you approach the story of Gen 2-4 with fresh eyes, you find that many things that were thought to be errors are fact.
I mentioned how everyone seems to think that the plants created in Gen 2 is all plants. When I studied the use of "of the field," I saw it was contrasted with "wild." Understanding that the verse means domesticated plants removes the contradiction with Gen 1, and with science.
Read all about the oracle at Delphi. There was an ancient worship that included talking to a serpent. In Gen 3, God roundly rejected that worship.
Shall we talk about how Jared Diamond in Guns, germs, and steel describes the region and the most favorably blessed of any in the world?
How about the location being exactly where scientists say plants were first domesticated. It even has 4 rivers starting out of the same snowpack.
I could go on. Ask questions about specifics instead of just making a general statement about some redactor that gives no handle to disagree with.

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greentwiga
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Message 52 of 295 (568643)
07-07-2010 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Theodoric
07-06-2010 12:36 PM


Re: Jared Diamond
Chap 8 of Guns, Germs and Steel refers to domesticatable plants. See the table 8.1 and and where he mentions how two of the founder crops were only found in SE Turkey (plus all the others that were more widespread)
Chap 9 discusses the domestic animals. See the table 9.3. All of the big five were found in or near SW Asia plus several of the minor nine.
This Med climate zone of the fertile crescent was the most blessed, and SE Turkey most of all.

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greentwiga
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Message 53 of 295 (568644)
07-07-2010 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by purpledawn
07-06-2010 8:22 PM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
Nothing Specific?
The location is between the Tigris and Euphrates, in the zone where figs and wheat grows. There is only one mountain there, the volcano Karacadag. German scientists state that wheat was domesticated there, along with Chickpeas, lentils and sheep there or the immediate area.
I just said that the Bible states that Garden was at the mountain Karacadag in SE Turkey, and that wheat was first domesticated there. Then I mentioned the German scientists who proved the Bible right. I might add that the Bible indicates that the event occurred right at the end of the super drought, the Younger Dryas, as Archaeologists also state.
We could go into other specifics, but let's deal with this one first.

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