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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN 
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Message 211 of 295 (581465)
09-15-2010 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Theodoric
09-15-2010 6:16 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Im not getting into that smoke screen diversion in this joke of a thread with you jokers until at least one joker admits the error of their ways regarding the OP. AND THATS FINAL!

PS I don't enter into debates with the "Us" and the "we" Pack rape kind of ruins my buzz

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Message 212 of 295 (581470)
09-15-2010 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 6:17 PM


Time to stop feeding the troll
All you have are rants and raves and assertions. Obviously you are incapable of backing anything you say with a rational argument. I have tried to get you to participate in a rational, adult discussion. You seem incapable of either.

When you grow up and are ready for a rational discourse let me know and I will respond to you arguments. Til then bye.

Again I highly suggest you read the forum rules.
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This current behavior will just get you suspended and possibly banned.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Message 213 of 295 (581472)
09-15-2010 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 6:17 PM


Re: What version is the correct
NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN writes:

Im not getting into that smoke screen diversion in this joke of a thread with you jokers until at least one joker admits the error of their ways regarding the OP.


That isn't likely to happen, since the OP has been substantiated pretty well. We're into the second or third rehash already, with new "defenders" arriving periodically to drag out the same old same old apologetics.

At least your approach is different, if not exactly refreshing. By screaming incoherent demands instead of addressing the topic at all, you're demonstrating your (lack of) position. Thank you for not being on my side.


"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN 
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Message 214 of 295 (581477)
09-15-2010 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by ringo
09-15-2010 6:41 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Oh my word, you are really I in La La land.

I will leave you all to this one. Of note of course, my blowing of this pathetic Original Post out of the water has been completely ignored. How unusual, now the descent into insults backed up by warnings. The fix is in, "Get rid of this truth merchant before he turns the place upside down". LOL

When Christ comes down in a cloud for all to see you will say "See I told you. Dawkins was right! An Alien!!!!!!"

Blessings to you, but seriously you people have shown yourselves to be complete infant analysts, lacking in a basic ability to read English let alone fluffing about with Hebrew and Greek. Leave the Hebrew and Greek out of it until you can address the original freaken post in English. Your right you have descended three levels deep into a total and utter quagmire of off topic disinformation.

I could show you the first seven words of the bible in Hebrew and demonstrate that they have at least 50 mathematical patterns of seven running through them which proves IRREFUTABLY beyond all cavil that a supernatural power delivered the words through a man.

But Im not casting my pearls to swine.

And I couldnt give a flying "highly evolved monkeys stinken arm pit if Im 86ed from this freak show forth with. "Refreshing?" Heh, this thread is a golden shower. A donkey fart would be refreshing in here HAH!!!!!!!!

Love Peace and Mung Beans


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Message 215 of 295 (581478)
09-15-2010 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 7:11 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Of note of course, my blowing of this pathetic Original Post out of the water has been completely ignored.

I must have missed your post where you did that. Can you provide us a link?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN 
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Message 216 of 295 (581481)
09-15-2010 7:25 PM
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09-15-2010 7:18 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Go back and read my two posts where I have posted the complete chapters of Genisis 1 and 2 and made comments.

I repeat I am not showing the "us" or "we" anything. I will discuss the topic based on the OP, Im not debating with a team of disinformation specialists who can't read Englisg here.

Somebody needs to get real here and now or this whole site must be duly mocked as a total farce. No scatch that, a half way house of people going in and or coming out of the lunatic asylum.

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Message 217 of 295 (581484)
09-15-2010 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 7:11 PM


Re: What version is the correct
NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN writes:

Of note of course, my blowing of this pathetic Original Post out of the water has been completely ignored.


Everything you said in those two posts has been covered. The timing in Genesis 2 is implicit.


"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Message 218 of 295 (581485)
09-15-2010 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 7:25 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Well, I read both of those and could not find where you addressed the issues raised, just that you denied that the inconsistencies really existed.

However, even if you assumptions were true (and I see no reason to think they are) it still does not address the fact that both the order as presented in the Genesis 1 fable and in the Genesis 2 fable are factually wrong.

The Earth is not created before the sun.

The first plants were not seed bearing.

Life on land did NOT come before life in the sea.

The fact is that neither the newer fable found in Genesis 1 nor the older fables combined into Genesis 2&3 are factually correct. They are not even theologically consistent, the God's are different, the one described in Genesis 2&3 is very human, hands on, learning by doing, unsure, fearful, creating by hand and magic, but personal, directly involved in its creation. The god described in Genesis 1 though is aloof, separate, creating by act of will alone, sure and unhesitating but impersonal and not interacting with its creations.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 219 of 295 (581486)
09-15-2010 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by ringo
09-15-2010 7:39 PM


Re: What version is the correct
Implicit

1. implied, rather than expressly stated: implicit agreement.
2. unquestioning or unreserved; absolute: implicit trust; implicit obedience; implicit confidence.
3. potentially contained (usually fol. by in ): to bring out the drama implicit in the occasion.
4. Mathematics . (of a function) having the dependent variable not explicitly expressed in terms of the independent variables, as x 2 + y 2 = 1. Compare explicit ( def. 5 ) .
5. Obsolete

There are a couple of potential meanings that can be taken from your use of the word implicit, we can see here what the word means, but I have no idea what you mean in your uses of the word as it applies to either agreeing and defending the OP and or refuting the fact that I have soundly refuted this silly OP.

Your statement is more meaningless than the original post, and I've really done a lot more than lift a finger here at your request, so I suggest you bring a humble apology and acknowklede that the OP is in fact a groundless baseless false statement.

Raising further moot and meaningless points only serves to confirm my suspicians about this site made clear in my previous post.


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Message 220 of 295 (581488)
09-15-2010 7:58 PM
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09-15-2010 7:44 PM


Re: What version is the correct
This in an off topic post, and is simply a further demonstration of the wanton denial and stuck in the mud rebellious teenager childish antics and refusal to admit fault.

Very disspointing . Oh and that's regardless as to whether Hanz Christian Anderson wrote it or not you do realise that dont you?

We are talking the basics of being able to read english here as laid out in the G1 and G2 (fable or not) not your insubtantiated "scientific" theories about anything esle;. OKAY? So get real? Or I will safely assume you are figment of my imagination a fable and duly ignore anything else that spews forth out of your non existant gob.

NOTHING and I REPEAT NOTHING I have said was or is an ASSUMPTION. My comments re G1 and G2 that I directed to you where comments made about WHAT WAS and IS written down, not what is assumped by you as your "preferred" version of the events of creation or evolution. Lets get that clear before you waffle off topic adinfintum.

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Message 221 of 295 (581490)
09-15-2010 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 7:58 PM


Re: What version is the correct
I can only repeat the parts you did not address.

However, even if you assumptions were true (and I see no reason to think they are) it still does not address the fact that both the order as presented in the Genesis 1 fable and in the Genesis 2 fable are factually wrong.

The Earth is not created before the sun.

The first plants were not seed bearing.

Life on land did NOT come before life in the sea.

The fact is that neither the newer fable found in Genesis 1 nor the older fables combined into Genesis 2&3 are factually correct. They are not even theologically consistent, the God's are different, the one described in Genesis 2&3 is very human, hands on, learning by doing, unsure, fearful, creating by hand and magic, but personal, directly involved in its creation. The god described in Genesis 1 though is aloof, separate, creating by act of will alone, sure and unhesitating but impersonal and not interacting with its creations.

Factually incorrect stories.

Different gods.

Different methods.

Different order.

This is in a Science forum dealing with Biblical accuracy.

Edited by jar, : Hit key too soon.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 222 of 295 (581491)
09-15-2010 8:03 PM
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09-15-2010 7:52 PM


Re: What version is the correct
NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN writes:

There are a couple of potential meanings that can be taken from your use of the word implicit, we can see here what the word means, but I have no idea what you mean in your uses of the word as it applies to either agreeing and defending the OP and or refuting the fact that I have soundly refuted this silly OP.


Have you read the thread? It was pointed out some time ago that the default chronology in English is the order of narration. It was also pointed out that the same applies to Hebrew. Ergo, if somebody claims a different order for the events of Genesis 2 than the order of narration, the onus is on him to show evidence for a different order. So far, nobody has done that.


"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Message 223 of 295 (581497)
09-15-2010 8:59 PM
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09-15-2010 7:58 PM


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Message 224 of 295 (581499)
09-15-2010 9:01 PM
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09-15-2010 8:02 PM


It's an internal to Genesis topic!
However, even if you assumptions were true (and I see no reason to think they are) it still does not address the fact that both the order as presented in the Genesis 1 fable and in the Genesis 2 fable are factually wrong.

The Earth is not created before the sun.

The first plants were not seed bearing.

Life on land did NOT come before life in the sea.

The topic is NOT the conflicts between Genesis and scientific discovery. It IS the perceived conflicts within Genesis, specifically between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.

As the topic title says - Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2.

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This is in a Science forum dealing with Biblical accuracy.

The real truth is, it seems that this topic should be in the "Bible Study" forum. Will consider if it should be moved at this point in the discussion.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.


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NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN 
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Message 225 of 295 (581500)
09-15-2010 9:12 PM
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09-15-2010 8:02 PM


Re: What version is the correct
lol, A science forum dealing with biblical accuracy is it?

Sorry about that. I thought it was a bunch of bald face liars stating the bible states things that it clealry does not state nor even imply which I might add has nothing to do with science and or the scientific method. It has everything to do with the ability or lack there of to understand plain English.

That you want to continue to attempt to drag me off topic is only an admission that your out of ideas. Thanks Pal. Ill take that as an admission of defeat. I also wish to note that the admin in this thread where quick to jump on me with an "off topic violation" for insisting that I don't get dragged off topic and yet your wax lyrical off topic all the way to the ultimate dead and dieing non exisitant 747s grave yard.

What ever you say College what ever, floats your boat, your gonna need something to make it float because right now it's scrapping along the bottom of a smelly barrel.

Phew....

NB: This was posted before I saw the "Off topic" on your post from the Moderator.

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Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


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