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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
IS A PAPERCLIP AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN? Yes. Now, you please answer this question for me. Is this antenna
intelligently designed? Or this one?
I'm sure you would concede that these are more complex than a paperclip. And, given that their purpose is to receive radio signals from millions and millions of miles away, I'd suppose that there's considerably less room for error than there is in a paperclip. So, were they intelligently designed? If you think so, please explain how you can tell. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Buz writes: Question 1: How Does Evolution Add Information? Mutations. There, that takes care of one. I don't expect you to ask it again. (Yeah, right.) Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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I'm not angry at all, much less so angry. Who are you to tell me what I have or not you arrogant smart ass? ROTFLMAO
We are at the fine tuned distance where the temperature is just right for life on earth. No. Life is finely tuned to thrive in the environment that exists at this distance from the sun. Edited by subbie, : Add a bit of substance. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I am still interested in where that original information came from. Mutation. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Yes, of course life had to exist before it could mutate, in the same way that you have to exist before you can pour uninformed nonsense into the internet. But mutations and changes can occur before there is life. As others have explained to you, it's called chemistry.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Well it has not been explained to me how a lifeless form can mutate. Chemical reactions.
If that was possible wouldn't some lab be producing life as we speak? They're trying. And they're making progress. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
It matters whether it came about randomly or intelligently design. Please, for the love of god, PLEASE stop saying this as though it was an either/or proposition. Something can come about that is neither random nor intelligently designed. If you learn nothing else here, please learn this. I beg of you. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Modifying a known genome and implanting that cell is not creating life. Quite true. That's why I said they're making progress and didn't say they've succeeded.
No more than me taking a cabinet made by a specific cabinet company and modifying it and then calling it a new cabinet. No, but that would be a good way of learning how cabinets are put together if you wanted to learn how to do it yourself. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Either the universe has always existed in some form. OR The universe began to exist out of non-existence. Well, here's one possible alternative. This universe is the result of the destruction of a previous universe. The point is that we don't know what came before this universe, and in the absence of any evidence of what came before this universe, there's no basis to assign probabilities to any of the different possibilities. Another way to look at it is this: if time began when the universe began, there is no before. If there's no before, it's irrational to even ask the question what did the universe come from. It didn't come from anything, it didn't come from nothing. There was no before. Now, if it gives you comfort to suppose there was a creator, go right ahead and do that. But don't pretend that that supposition answers any questions. It doesn't. It's just to comfort you. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
...something had to create this universe if it began to exist. This is an assumption with no evidentiary basis. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Possibly, but even more important, we'll know how it was done. What's more, our answer will be based on evidence, so we can show it to other people, rather than expecting them to just take our word for it. Or the word of a handful of shepherds who died millennia ago. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
For there to be time existence is required. Time can not begin to exist if there is no existence. This is true.
Just as the universe can not begin to exist unless there is existence. This is an unsupported assumption.
There is no way either time or the universe can begin to exist in or from non-existence. This is another one. Edited by subbie, : Tyop Edited by subbie, : *sigh* Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
And what would your hypothetical alien think of how the plan for the wires on this antenna came about?
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I think that is probably a antenna developed on a computer designed by intelligent designers on an algorithm program designed by intelligent designers. Then after all that, it was fashioned by an intelligent person with materials developed by intelligent people. Well here's your opportunity to educate yourself. This is an outline prepared by the company that produced the antennae. You can continue to think what you think without any factual basis, and continue to look ignorant, or you can see what they actually did and we can move on from there. Ball's in your court, Slick. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Why would natural selection/ random mutation choose to build the skull with the perfect size and shape to house the brain? There's a very simple answer to this question. Any organism whose brain didn't fit inside its skull likely wouldn't survive long enough to reproduce, so that trait wouldn't be selected for. Edited by subbie, : Subtitle Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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