When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)

When does design become intelligent? Crashfrog claims the eye would be an intelligent design if the Retina face the light-sensing layer out towards the front, where the light comes in; not backwards, towards the inside of the scull, with two layers of light-insensitive cells between the iris and the incoming light. I have a solid rebuttal to that argument if anyone would like to hear why its actually a more sound design they way it is rather than the design regurgitated by Crashfrog.The current human eye isn't an intelligent design? What does it take to be considered of intelligence? Millions of cells lining the interior of each eye function as photochemical receivers that convert light waves into a myriad of electrical impulses, which are forwarded, at a speed of about 200 miles per hour, to the brain-and then sorted, organized, and analyzed. This is accomplished in milliseconds.
What about the eyelashes, blink reflex and the eyelid protecting the eye? Pupils dilate to allow more light in for better vision at dim times and constrict to protect our retina from excessive glare and to improve daytime vision. All this sounds pretty damn intelligent to me.
Is the eye perfect in every way, able to adjust from microscopic vision up to telescopic vision? No. When the eye is healthy, does it enable us to comfortably encounter life here on planet earth? YES. Its obvious the designer wasn't trying to design a super bionic body.
If the designer is all knowing and all powerful, and he loves his creation then he must have a reason to have designed these bodies with weaknesses. Why do we have pain sensors? If it was to just warn us of harmful actions to stay away from like putting a hand in the fire then what's up with ability to experience extreme pain? The answer is found in a modern quote; "No pain. No gain" This train of thought is for another thread entirely. I just mention it here because its important to know there are profound reasons why things are the way they are.Lets get back to the issue at hand. Is a paperclip an intelligent design? Why or why not? Is the space shuttle an intelligent design? If the paperclip is not an intelligent design and the space shuttle is, at what point does design become intelligent?ICDESIGNEdited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add "(AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)" to topic title.

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If the universe is "fine-tuned for life", why does the only life in the universe appear to live on a single planet surrounding a dismally typical star in a boringly average galaxy?

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IF? There are at least 12 presision tuned eliments that have to be in perfect adjustment for us to exist here in this part of the of the universe.
If I need to list them you aren't as smart as I thought you were Crash.
...You crack me up. Do you see everything so gloomy? According to you its amazing the terrible design of our bodies exist at all and the stars are boring in an average galaxy.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

I don't have time right now to get into all the exact percentages of everything but here are just a few elements that make earth inhabitable:
Its a Terrestial Planet. Its in the right position in the Galaxy. Its the right combination of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% carbon Dioxide. Its got a large moon for the perfect gravitational pull.
Its the perfect distance from the sun. (5% closer we would burn up, 20% closer we would freeze)
We are protected by giant planets from incoming dangers. We are orbiting the correct kind of star. The perfect crust to enable plate tectronics. The perfect magnetic field. Oxygen rich atmosphere. Liquid water. Just to name a few. I said 12 but there are actually over 20. The chances of all these elements coming together in one place make it another major miracle just like the long list of other miracles that make our life possible!!! Let me tell you something about priviledge Crash. I have the astounding honor and priviledge of a close and personal relationship with the Creator of the universe. I not only have a very real experience going with him but he has proven his existance over and over and over again since 1983. I don't "think" he is real I absolutely know he is real. I love him and he loves me. He loves you too if you would quit running from him. You talking about humbleness. Try humbling yourself and asking God to reveal himself to you in a tangable way you can grasp. Have you ever tried doing that?
I am sorry if I come across angry. Its kind of like how you would feel if someone (or in this case, lots of someones) insulted a close loved one. The way you guys talk about my Lord does anger me. Its also maddening that you can't see the clear and simple truth thats right in front of your eyes.
And finally, if I turned out to be wrong I would never know cause it would be the end at death. If your wrong Crash, and the bible is right, you will spend all of eternity separated from the God who spent your entire lifetime trying to reach you. Everything myself and others has said will echo in your head as you are stuck with your choices forever....that is truely sad my friend..... Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

I hate to break this news flash to you Crash, but all this EA & GA work they are doing? Guess what? Its all done on computers created by intelligent designers with programs designed by intelligent designers.
I admit its great technology they are developing. Its amazing what intelligent design can create isn't it?Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

So, if the smoke has settled now may I bring us back to the point of this topic. Let me narrow the focus to one simple question that I posed which noone answered.IS A PAPERCLIP AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN?please state the reason for your conclusion.

Now who is it that has the anger problem? Try to pay attention McFly. We are at the fine tuned distance where the temperature is just right for life on earth. Those margins are the end where you burn up or freeze. Fine tuned means in a comfortable range. Yes fine tuned indeeedah. This question along with your former remark shows you are lying through your teeth when you claim you were a practicing Christian.
You never new God. God rejects arrogance and you are the epitome of arrogance. We come to God on His terms and I would bet money you insisted he come to you on your terms. That's why you never heard from him.
He didn't start in 1983, I did! There you go with your arrogance again. I know more of the truth than you do. You and yours know more about the lie of evolution. That is a title your more than welcome to.I'm not angry at all, much less so angry. And finally Frog, I am not threatening you. The Word Of God is warning you through me. Who are you to tell me what I have or not you arrogant smart ass?Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

OK you "win". I shake the dust off my feet.

In the vein of when does design become intelligent? How did the skeletal system end up being constructed with such intended purpose? Why would natural selection/ random mutation choose to build the skull with the perfect size and shape to house the brain?
What about the eye sockets? Which came first, the skull or the brain and the eyes? Why are their joints and why are they located in the perfect positions needed for body movement?The skeletal system is what you would expect to find as a result of intelligent planning and design. Natural selection and random mutations cannot account for this kind of design with purpose. Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

OK, that's great Coyote. I am looking for an expert to answer my very simple questions. The problem thus far is that you didn't answer even one of my questions.I disagree with your opinion. My knees and back work excellent and I don't sag. I'm sorry to hear you are unhappy with yours.Again, non of your comments address my legitimate questions.

Actually, anglagard, it was ICDESIGN All I said is that I am happy with how my skeletal system is doing the job it was designed for. 56 years and it still performs as intended.
If I happen to open a franchise of 'The Fred Astare school of Tap Dance' I'll be sure and give you a free membership. In the mean time, I will be waiting to see if anyone can answer my questions from post 231.Edited by ICDESIGN, : had the wrong post reference

......anyone?

None of your answers hold up to the common sense test. First of all how did "it" know anything was working without being able to think about it. Everything within the skeletal system has a purpose.
To say it doesn't is is being completely out of touch with reality. What knew it was beneficial and how did it know? What knew they were of actual use in those positions and how did it know? No it isn't! I would expect a non-thinking dumb source like evolution to come up with a dumb design that makes no sense.

OK Subbie, I keep seeing your antenna so here is my response.
I think that is probably a antenna developed on a computer designed by intelligent designers on an algorithm program designed by intelligent designers. Then after all that, it was fashioned by an intelligent person with materials developed by intelligent people.Come back and see me when it can do it without intelligent help.

So far the responses I am seeing are so foolish and nonsensical I feel like I should open another topic to answer them called:
"When does ignorance become moronic stupidity" How is this possible when the theory of evolution requires one small step at a time in one direction?
Are you telling me that you believe more than one system develops at a time. Where is your proof and evidence that the skull, brain and eyes developed at the same time.
I have much, much tougher questions than this for evolution to answer as soon as we get past this simple stuff.Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

Hey you evolution dudes will be happy to know I figured out what your problem is. You need to change your diet and quit eating Lucky Charms for your main staple.Lets see now. We have blatant design all over the place but according to you it only appears to be design. We have purpose through and through within every system in our body (not to mention all over the planet) but you say their was no purpose because that requires thought and of course evolution has no mind. (Boy, I sure said a mouth full of truth there).Its just all so magically delicious isn't it?I am pitching my tent on this subject of the skeletal system for awhile because I think the responses continue to be foolish and nonsensical at best. The answers evolution offers for simple common sense questions belong in some kind of museum of fools.You are making a lot of claims of evolution performing tasks that only a thinking mind could possibly achieve that I would like to highlight when I return in the next day or two.May God be glorified Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.