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bluegenes
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Message 166 of 222 (671287)
08-24-2012 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by RAZD
08-21-2012 8:04 PM


Re: false expectations and blind spots ... and Guernica
RAZD writes:

And you continue to display the behavior associated with cognitive dissonance.

I'll expect you to support that claim on your cognitive dissonance thread.


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Message 167 of 222 (671891)
08-31-2012 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by bluegenes
08-24-2012 7:11 AM


Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

I'll expect you to support that claim on your cognitive dissonance thread.

Try again: Guernica.

Enjoy.


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Message 168 of 222 (671893)
08-31-2012 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by RAZD
08-31-2012 6:51 AM


Re: Try again: Guernica
RAZD writes:

Try again: Guernica.


quote:
Forum Guidelines

5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.


I expect you are experiencing some kind of cognitive dissonance that is making you think that posting the same word 3 times will make your point clearer.

{Speaking of forum guidelines...this is a GD}

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Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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bluegenes
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Message 169 of 222 (671933)
08-31-2012 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by RAZD
08-31-2012 6:51 AM


Re: Try again: Guernica
RAZD writes:

bluegenes writes:

I'll expect you to support that claim on your cognitive dissonance thread.

Try again: Guernica.

I'll rephrase that. I know you can't support that claim on your cognitive dissonance thread.


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Message 170 of 222 (671934)
08-31-2012 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by bluegenes
08-31-2012 3:27 PM


Re: Try again: Guernica
and try again

Guernica

Enjoy


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Message 171 of 222 (671936)
08-31-2012 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by RAZD
08-21-2012 8:05 AM


Re: false expectations and blind spots ... and Guernica
RAZD writes:

He [bluegenes] has unrealistic expectations here about the information conveyed in myths and legends, expecting them to have scientific precise information about reality, and then claims they are falsified by actual objective empirical evidence of reality.

I certainly do not expect myths and legends to have scientific precise information about reality.

RAZD writes:

This is irrational,

Well, you made it up.

RAZD writes:

and is a result of cognitive dissonance in looking at the nonconforming information in an unbiased and dispassionate manner. see Cognitive Dissonance and Cultural Beliefs for more, and Message 20 in particular.

And you made that up as well.

RAZD writes:

Such societies typically use spiritual and symbolic language to convey concepts and ideas, methods that are not scientifically precise, but still capable of carrying important information about reality.

Most certainly. The tales concern us, our minds, and our relationship to the world. What they don't do, and what's relevant to this thread, is show any signs of conveying any positive information that would support the literal existence of any supernatural beings outside the (very important) world of our minds. Their actual usefulness in other respects isn't being discussed.

RAZD writes:

It is important to understand how this works before dismissing it out of hand as bluegenes does (confirmation bias, blind-spot, dtc etc etc).

I've always been interested in myths, myth making, and the roles they play in human societies. For example, your current need to make up a mythological bluegenes is interesting, and certainly says a lot more about you than it does about me.


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Message 172 of 222 (671937)
08-31-2012 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by RAZD
08-31-2012 4:20 PM


Re: Try again: Guernica
RAZD writes:

and try again
Guernica

I like your new posting style. Given the choice between massive great posts with bright coloured boxes, buttons and bells which contain absolutely no content to support your claim that my theory is weak, and four word plain coloured posts which achieve exactly the same result, I think the latter show far more common sense and economy.

You could improve, of course, by leaving out everything except the "Enjoy" bit, or just swallowing your pride, and admitting that I'm right.


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Message 173 of 222 (671941)
08-31-2012 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by bluegenes
08-31-2012 5:09 PM


And Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

Still failing to get the point here. Perhaps I can help with an easy step in the process:

What does "Guernica" mean to you?

Enjoy.

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Message 174 of 222 (671974)
09-01-2012 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by RAZD
08-31-2012 7:33 PM


Re: And Try again: Guernica
RAZD writes:

Still failing to get the point here.

An alternative view might be that you've failed to actually make any precise point.

I suspect that you might believe that you're making some profound or interesting point about human spirituality, but I could be wrong, and you certainly haven't done so.

As for your question, it would be difficult to answer even in a 10,000 word essay. We artists tend to have thought quite a lot about such things in our lives. But as you've been making up beliefs for a character called bluegenes, and making up things about his psychological state, why don't you just continue to do so?


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Message 175 of 222 (671989)
09-01-2012 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by bluegenes
09-01-2012 5:36 AM


Re: And Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes

Still dodging or not getting the point.

If you don't understand my argument then you are not debating against my argument but against your misconception\false conception of the argument.

As for your question, it would be difficult to answer even in a 10,000 word essay.

Give it a try.

Enjoy.


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Message 176 of 222 (671991)
09-01-2012 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by RAZD
09-01-2012 2:02 PM


Re: And Try again: Guernica
RAZD writes:

Still dodging or not getting the point.

Point of what?

RAZD writes:

If you don't understand my argument then you are not debating against my argument but against your misconception\false conception of the argument.

You haven't made a coherent argument.

If anyone on the board thinks that RAZD has made a coherent argument about anything in his last few posts, do go ahead and explain it to the rest of the world on the peanut gallery.


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Message 177 of 222 (671999)
09-01-2012 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by bluegenes
09-01-2012 2:28 PM


Still no Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to grasp what I am talking about.

Curiously, I note that you still seem to be unwilling or unable to post what Guernica means to you ...

... a rather simple thing, but something you need to do before we can move on to the next step.

Enjoy.


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Message 178 of 222 (672004)
09-01-2012 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by RAZD
09-01-2012 3:37 PM


Re: Still no relevance. Still no coherent point.
RAZD writes:

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to grasp what I am talking about.

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to express what your talking about.

Find someone else who understands what you're talking about, then that person can explain it to me.


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Message 179 of 222 (672005)
09-01-2012 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by bluegenes
09-01-2012 4:06 PM


Still avoiding Guernica
Hi bluegenes

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to express what your talking about.

Amusingly, I need you to talk about Guernica before we can move on to the point.

All you are doing is delaying.

What is Guernica?

Simple question.

Enjoy.


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Message 180 of 222 (672007)
09-01-2012 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by RAZD
09-01-2012 4:09 PM


Re: Still avoiding Guernica,
RAZD writes:

Amusingly, I need you to talk about Guernica before we can move on to the point.

Why?

Connect Guernica to the topic of the thread, and try to do so lucidly.


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