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Author Topic:   Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed?
cavediver
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Message 346 of 549 (583388)
09-26-2010 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Jon
09-26-2010 2:50 PM


Re: Claims on the Natural World are NOT Supernatural
How are you defining supernatural?
Looking at the devlopment of our understanding of the Universe over the past several thousand years, my overwhelming conclusion is that the supernatural is precisely that that has nothing to do with reality.
If someone wants to claim that there is something "supernatural" about the orgin of life or the origin of existence, then they really need to come up with a new word to explain exactly what it is they mean.

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cavediver
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Message 350 of 549 (583479)
09-27-2010 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Jon
09-26-2010 8:26 PM


Re: Claims on the Natural World are NOT Supernatural
First, thank you for being the only person to offer a definition.
I am convinced that sound definitions are the crux of any discussion. Their lack is why so many discussions fail. They are the ultimate strength of science, mathematics, and good philosophy - all three fall apart the moment a loose or imprecise definition is included in part of an argument. Coversely, lack of sound definition is the bedrock of religion and superstition.
In what way does the supernatural have nothing to do with reality?
In the most fundemental way. It is a meaningless term precisely because it has never had any connection with reality. It has zero success in providing any form of consistent predictive power, and thus I can substitute gibberish for any given supernatural explanation and achieve equal success. This is in stark contrast to reality. I thus conclude that the supernatural is synonymous with that that is not real, that that does not exist.

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