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Why complex form requires an Intelligent Designer

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DominionSeraph
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Message 36 of 165 (358152)
10-22-2006 3:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by KBC1963
10-21-2006 6:36 PM

KBC1963 writes:
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Mechanically functional form
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You're assuming that something gives a damn, so you're screwed from the start.
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KBC1963 writes:
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Our environment cannot dictate form otherwise you could not get diversity.
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Only if the environment is static.
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KBC1963 writes:
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A snowflake follows rules of form according to atomic structure of water.
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And which form is determined by environment.
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Message 38 of 165 (358161)
10-22-2006 4:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by KBC1963
10-21-2006 5:45 PM

KBC1963 writes:
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Our DNA provides the blueprint for every structure formed
in our bodies. DNA codes for every aspect of 3 dimensional
form that we see
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No it doesn't.
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KBC1963 writes:
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The reality is that the range that geometric shapes can exist in is infinite.
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Nope. The number of dimensions a shape can really take up is limited to the number there really are. And, once you run out of things with which to make a shape, you can no longer add more things to it.
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Reality is quite confining.
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KBC1963 writes:
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DNA could be coded to cause an infinite range of possible
forms just for one single bone
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No, it can't.
Take, for example, a shape that's so complex that, if you coded it chemically, you'd have a structure with so much mass that it'd collapse into a neutron star.
There'd go your code.
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You obviously don't have a handle on either math or the limitations imposed by reality. Try again once you do.
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Message 39 of 165 (358163)
10-22-2006 4:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 37 by subbie
10-22-2006 3:45 PM

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No. The shape of an organism's femur, to take your example, can only come from a combination of the genetic information it receives from its parents at the time it is created, together with the different shapes that may result from one or more mutations of that information.
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It doesn't have to be entirely coded. Anything that the universe will take care of can be left out.
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10-22-2006 5:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by crashfrog
10-22-2006 4:57 PM

crashfrog writes:
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No argument based on DNA encoding bone shapes can be meaningful, because DNA is not a code of bone shapes. It's a code that specifies amino acid sequences.
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Damn. Took you 2 sentences to completely lay waste to his argument.
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10-22-2006 11:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 54 by Dr Adequate
10-22-2006 11:14 PM

Evolved antenna:
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Message 98 of 165 (358434)
10-23-2006 11:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 85 by Taz
10-23-2006 6:45 PM

gasby writes:
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Why the hell does an intelligent designer have to consider every possible form for a biological structure before snapping its fingers?
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It doesn't. That's the point.
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Message 142 of 165 (358686)
10-25-2006 2:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 138 by KBC1963
10-24-2006 11:37 PM

KBC writes:
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Then you may wish to let these scientists know the truth, as you see it:
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...requires the establishment of a three-dimensional coordinate system...
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A 3D coordinate system is not: "Every aspect of a 3 dimensional form"
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KBC writes:
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And by this you believe that gemetric shape is limited.
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Yup. Can't have any 4D shapes if you only have 3 spatial dimensions.
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KBC writes:
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So tell me exactly how many 3 dimensional geometric shapes there are?
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Relevance? Remember, I'm simply ripping your argument to shreds -- not proposing anything.
Oh, and a request doesn't take a question mark.
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KBC writes:
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According to your statement there would only be 3.
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Hmmm... so you don't know the difference between dimensions and matter?
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KBC writes:
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Stating that you may run out of "disc space" per se and thus can't code for the whole shape does not mean you can't code for part of a complete shape.
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Which is off-topic.
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KBC writes:
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functional shapes
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Function is assigned, not innate. Evolution doesn't use assigned characteristics, so such is out of place.
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