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slevesque
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Message 15 of 406 (574304)
08-15-2010 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dr Jack
08-15-2010 8:28 AM


Your argument by analogy isn't appropriate, here's why:
Pedophile priests aren't pedophile because of their christian beliefs.
Terrorist Muslims are terrorists (rightly or wrongly) because of their muslim beliefs.
I have no opinion as of right on all this subject, as I'm not american and I was pretty young when all this happened.

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Message 27 of 406 (574359)
08-15-2010 1:48 PM
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08-15-2010 10:17 AM


Predictable answer, but it is a bit irrelevant.
Ask a muslim terrorist about his justification and he will say his religion
ask a catholic priest and he will not quote scripture (unless you can show me one that does).
Maybe the bible and christianity could be used to justify pedophilia by a very twisted mind, but as far as I know it isn't. So as I said, in my first post, the source for those priests actions isn't their religion. The same cannot be said for muslim terrorists.

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Message 28 of 406 (574361)
08-15-2010 1:50 PM
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08-15-2010 10:17 AM


If terrorist christians had stunned an entire nation by killing thousands of people all at once, (in other words, an analog situation), then Mr. Jack's analogy would have been useable.
But this wasn't his analogy, it was about pedophile priests.

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slevesque
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Message 30 of 406 (574367)
08-15-2010 2:11 PM
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08-15-2010 2:01 PM


All I'm saying is that his argument by analogy was fallacious, because pedophile priests and muslim terrorists are not analog.
AbE and lol at 'likely billions'
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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Message 34 of 406 (574375)
08-15-2010 3:11 PM
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08-15-2010 2:23 PM


As I said in my first post. I don,t really have an opinion on all this. I'm not american, nor was I very old when 9/11 happened. (This answer is equally valid to Dr.A's response I guess)
And on a side note:
Again, I don't really see the distinction. Both behaviors were destructive and if you weighed the two, I'd tend to think that the greater harm was all the kids molested.
The priest-pedophilia connection is vastly overrated, read this article by a non-catholic author:Page not found - ZENIT - English
Some of the main points:
Priestly celibacy is not the issue - married men are more likely to abuse children than unmarried
Most child abuse takes place within the home.
All religious groups have pedophile scandals, and the Catholics (while the largest religious group) are at the bottom of the list statistically.
Child abuse is prevalent in all areas of society: schools, youth organizations, sports, etc.
Statistically, of all the professions, Christian clergy are least likely to offend. Doctors, Farmers and Teachers are the professions most likely to abuse children--not clergy.
Among clergy offenders Catholic priests are least likely to offend.
Catholic cases of pedophilia make more headlines because of anti Catholic prejudice and because the Catholic Church is bigger and more lucractive to sue.
Pedophilia and Euphebophilia are different problems. The former is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. The latter is attraction to teenagers. Most cases branded 'pedophila' are actually 'euphebophila.'
Most of the cases of euphebophilia are homosexual in nature, however the politically correct do not want this problem to be associated with homosexuality.
(more here:AllAboutMothering.com Acquires MommyLife.net Domain - All About Mothering)

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Message 36 of 406 (574378)
08-15-2010 3:28 PM
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08-15-2010 3:17 PM


Maybe, isn't relevant to my original point about your analogy though.

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Message 39 of 406 (574381)
08-15-2010 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by subbie
08-15-2010 3:31 PM


Not my statistics, and I totally agree that covering up even one child molestation is morally wrong.
But sometimes I find it unfair to all those goodwilled priests that get constantly associated with pedophilia when in fact it's even less common amongst them then amongst a lot of other professions.

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Message 40 of 406 (574383)
08-15-2010 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Theodoric
08-15-2010 3:29 PM


Their motivations were their christian beliefs ? ( I don't know either of them, sorry)

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Message 45 of 406 (574566)
08-16-2010 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Theodoric
08-15-2010 3:52 PM


That sort of reply is why I hate having any sort of discussion with you.
How can I vouch for their accuracy, when I'm not the one who did the research ? However, Philip Jenkins is professor of history and religious studies at Penn State University, he wrote a book about ''The myth of the pedophile priest'' as he calls it.
The burden of proof is on you to show any legitimate reason to think his research is bullshit. Until then you are just showing your bias.

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