Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?

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Disclaimers - I don't follow South Park much, although I have seen some and I do know they can be pretty rude. Also, I haven't followed recent stretches of this topic closely.And I do fully support the presence of the so called "ground zero mosque". I certainly don't like many of the actions of any of the "religious crazies". That said, the Muslim branch of Crazy Inc. does have a pretty bad recent record of violent reactions to visual depictions of might Mo. Maybe not a prudent thing to provoke. Or have I overlook some Christian based riots in recent times?And that said, might depicting Mo in a bear costume (I believe) actually be funnier and a greater social commentary in the situation context?Please, no long winded replies to this message.Moose

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

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"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

One aspect of violent reactions I was really thinking of, and I did specifically use the term, was rioting. As in, large groups of people gathering together outside and being violent and destructive. I don't recall any recent such events by Christian based groups.And who's proposing that "Christian crazies" be let off the hook? Certainly not me, nor do I recall anyone else. You are defending bad Muslim behavior by saying the Christians are just as bad.Bad behavior by one party does not excuse bad behavior by another party.MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Fix typo.

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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

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"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

My comments were focused on the Muslim riots because of and after the Danish publication of the cartoons depicting Mohammad. That rioting was BAD STUPID. Especially since, if I recall correctly, part of their protests were about Islam being depicted as an irrational violent religion - Nothing like refuting that by mass acts of irrational violence.I WAS NOT CONDEMNING OR CONDONING ANY OTHER ACTIONS BY ANY GROUP!Bottom line - I thing the so called "ground zero mosque" is a good thing. I think being against it is stupid. And my impression is that the vast majority of religion based stupidity happening in the U.S. is Christian based.Happy now?Moose

I think to some degree we are both misunderstanding what the other is trying to say.A larger chunk of quote from me: All that probably could have been said better, or perhaps better be not said at all. The "You are defending bad Muslim behavior by saying the Christians are just as bad" should not have been said.At this point, I don't know or care how Christian behavior got into my messages. What triggered my first non-graphics message in this topic was the South Park/Mohammad situation. As I have said in earlier messages, Muslims rioting over cartoons was the intended scope of my message(s).Allah willing, this will be my last message in this topic.MooseAdded by edit:OK, I think I may have found a root of the problem: My "red bolding".I was specifically talking about RIOTING, and you launched off on other NON-RIOTING Christian executed violence. You went off on a tangent to my sub-theme.I certainly condemn the terrorism actions in your tangent.Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

For two people who share the same position, we sure are having trouble agreeing. Thankfully - But do you think the South Park cartoon could have triggered "rioting" in the U.S.? Sorry. In my mind in that context "riots" and "violent reactions" were synonymous. I defer to your greater knowledge of the facts. In my limited knowledge of the situation I may well have overstated the significance of the so call riots. A riot is a riot, regardless of who the rioters are. The Christian crazies tend to have whiter skin? Whatever other point(s) you made that you want a response from me - I'll give you a blanket concession.The bad reactions by Christian (and whomever else) crazies will provoke bad reactions by Muslim crazies. And the grand feedback loop continues.MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Spelling error in subtitle.

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From Leon Wieseltier, writing on the Islamic center in lower Manhattan:

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I have no quarrel with the construction of Cordoba House, but not because Islam is a religion of peace. It is not. Like Christianity and like Judaism, Islam is a religion of peace and a religion of war. All the religions have all the tendencies within them, and in varying historical circumstances varying beliefs and practices have come to the fore. It is absurd to describe the perpetrators of September 11 as "murderers calling themselves Muslims," as Karen Hughes recently did. They did not call themselves Muslims. They were Muslims. America was not attacked by Islam, but it was also not attacked by Jainism. Mohammed Atta and his band (as well as the growing number of "homegrown" Islamist killers and plotters) represent a real and burgeoning development within Islam, an actualization of one of Islam's possibilities, an indigenous transnational movement of apocalyptic violence that has brought misery to Muslim societies, and to us. It is not Islamophobic to say so. Quite the contrary: it is to side with Muslims who are struggling against the same poison as we are. Apologetic definitions of Islam will not avail anybody in this struggle.

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More at my source, more at the sources source.MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Add last sentence.