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Emotive
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Message 331 of 341 (748939)
01-31-2015 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Tangle
01-31-2015 1:28 PM


Re: Ancestor in common; yes.
It is certainly very helpful in this type of conversations with creationists. I found it informative and well-written. Personally I knew that my third cousin can't be my grandfather's grandfather.
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Message 332 of 341 (748940)
01-31-2015 1:43 PM
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01-31-2015 12:20 PM


Re: Ancestor in common; yes.
Yes, speciation and determining when it actually happened is a tricky question and what a species mean don't seem to have one unambigious answer. It's more or less a label we humans need to be able to discuss these things using abstract language. In a funny way it seems something instinctively understood and when you look closer, it's a very complicated question. Thanks for your answer.
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Message 333 of 341 (775149)
12-29-2015 1:02 AM
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08-17-2010 4:36 PM


Hello all........

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12-29-2015 1:51 AM
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Godfrey-I was about to suspend this account---common practice when we first see spam-- but after reading your webpage, I was feeling lenient enough to get to know you. If your name really is Godfrey Oswald, our ears are open. Testing, One Two Three...
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Message 335 of 341 (775158)
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Love your enemies!

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Message 336 of 341 (786738)
06-26-2016 2:00 PM
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08-17-2010 2:42 PM


Setting aside the point that was made ages ago in the first reply (humans are apes), my response is this:

If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor?


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Message 337 of 341 (786749)
06-26-2016 3:14 PM
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06-26-2016 2:00 PM


If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor?

One common ancestor for those three would be the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens, which is dated to about 200,000 years ago. Specimens have been found.


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Message 338 of 341 (786756)
06-26-2016 3:45 PM
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06-26-2016 2:00 PM


Welcome back to the fray Emotive

If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor?

building on what Coyote said:

One common ancestor for those three would be the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens, which is dated to about 200,000 years ago. Specimens have been found.

We also have the genetic \ migration maps that shows ancestry through time, and these converge on their respective common ancestor populations (everyone has two parents not one common ancestor, and thus it is more exact to talk about populations than individuals).

http://partners.nytimes.com/...genetics-evolution.1.GIF.html

Enjoy

(I notice that you have a large gap in posting here, so welcome back).

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Message 339 of 341 (786772)
06-27-2016 6:23 AM
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06-26-2016 3:14 PM


Yes, obviously specimens of Homo Sapiens have been found.

I was more thinking along lines it's an analogy to asking for a common ancestor species of all apes. Since my examples were single individuals, the common ancestor would also be a single individual. And it's just as clear to me that like we don't (not even creationists) doubt there is a common ancestor for modern humans, there's no reason to doubt there's an ancestral species to modern apes, whether it can be found and identified is irrelevant.


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Message 340 of 341 (791309)
09-14-2016 10:58 AM
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06-27-2016 6:23 AM


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Message 341 of 341 (791326)
09-14-2016 12:30 PM
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06-27-2016 6:23 AM


there's no reason to doubt there's an ancestral species to modern apes

There are a number of fossils that are ancestral to modern apes, but selecting a specific one depends on how far back you want to go.

For example, there are fossils that represent the ape/monkey split dating back some 25 million years.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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