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Author Topic:   Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real?
Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 991 (575957)
08-21-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dirk
08-20-2010 11:00 PM


Dirk writes:
For my first post, I hope to have come up with an intriguing question: which animals would populate the earth today if the flood really happened?
Let's assume that the ark was indeed large enough to contain all land animals (which, according to most YECs includes the dinosaurs, if I'm not mistaken) and that there was enough food. So, after the flood the ark sits 4000m high on Mt Ararat and Noah opens the doors to release them all. What happens? Who gets killed first and who survives? Who freezes to death and who makes it off the mountain?
And did Noah release the chickens and cows and pigs and sheep as well, or did he keep them in the ark so that he didn't have to catch them later if he wanted eggs & bacon for breakfast?
And what would we find on Mt Ararat, except for the ark, of course? Would there be evidence of a massive slaughtering of slow, fat animals by tigers, velociraptors, and so on?
Hi Dirk. Welcome to EvC. Please stay with us and share more of your stuff.
You have proposed some missconceptions here.
    in the mountains of Ararat, which includes the foothills which would be more suitable for exiting the hoofed animals etc from the ark.
    2> Logically, no dinos were on the ark. they, being the cursed serpents all died either before or at the time of the flood, the cursed short legged belly crawlers and snakes being the cursed offspring hatched from the parent dinos. There have been debates on this, but I'm convinced that that is the clear implication of the Genesis record.
    3> The pre-flood diet of animals and mankind was vegetarian, there being so much vegetation, fewer, shallower and smaller oceans and a super relatively even temperature globally.
    Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food: (Gen 1:30) and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, [I have given] every green herb for food: and it was so.
    4> Having been vegetarians, and likely having an abundance of survival food, including dried food, hay, etc aboard, they would have been disease free and in very good health during the sojourn.
    5> The record does not mention insects. Likely God saw to it that they survived on and in floating debris, some on crevices, etc on the ark itself, and perhaps some, like the animals were providentially directed into the ark or on the animals which went in.
    6> Perhaps God enabled the animals and birds to survive a long hybernating fast during the voyage. After all, he allegedly fed the wandering post-Exodus Israelites with manna from heaven in the wilderness for some forty years.
    7> Whether Noah and his family kept some domestic animals for milk, eggs, travel and work, etc is irrevelant. What is revelant is that they survived and propagated prolifically.
These are a few things for consideration. Creationist claims deserve as much leeway as secularist science allows for their claims. As is the case with unknowns in scientific theories, unknowns exist in the Genesis record.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 991 (577462)
08-28-2010 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Dr Adequate
08-22-2010 2:17 AM


Re: Landing Site
Dr Adequate writes:
The text says that "the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat", and that "in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen."
Which can only mean that the Ark grounded on the mountains of Ararat while they were still submerged. The draft of the Ark can't have been more than 30 cubits (that being its height) so it can't have grounded more than 30 cubits below the highest point of the mountains.
It certainly couldn't have run aground on the foothills while the tops of the mountains were still underwater.
You raise some valid points here, Dr Adequate. I checked my Hebrew Interlinear and the nearest English equivalent says "came to rest on the heights of Ararat."
The specific details are unknown but according to context, the tops of the mountains were still not visible when the ark came to rest on the heights of Ararat. One possible explanation for this seeming discrepancy would be that the ark, which had been moving about in currents etc became still/rested over the heights/mountains of Ararat. Admittedly, it's a bit of a stretch to take on as meaning over, but the context appears to bear that out.
According to the context, a raven was sent out after the tops of the mountains were seen and came back, finding no place to rest in the region where the ark had come to rest, indicative that the region in which the ark was resting over was too distant from the tops of the mountains for the raven non-stop flight nor were they a suitable place for it to stay, likely very high and cold for raven habitat.
Consider also that God was surely watching over this all along, he being the one who caused the animals to come and who closed the door before he rain commenced. Most likely Jehovah determined the resting place for the ark, most suitable for the departure of the animals, etc.

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