Evolving the Musculoskeletal System

First, there is no evidence that the bones, joints and muscles are in just the right position. The evidence shows that they are in just good enough position to get by. The critter that had bones, joints and muscles in a placement that worked better got to reproduce and pass on those genes. The critter that had bones, joints and muscles in a place that didn't work died off.It really is that simple.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You've been given the answers.First, the bones, muscles and joints are not the best or right ones, they are the ones that were just good enough to let the critter live long enough to reproduce and gradually overtime confer an advantage to one critter over another.The evidence that they are NOT the right ones, or best ones, is that we can build mechanical devices to do the job of limbs even better than the ones living things have even when we have to retrofit our improvements into the original critter.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That's one of those kinda right facts that are great to misdirect attention. The most compact bones may have higher tensile strength then mild steel pound for pound, but not of most steels. BUT...even if true it is irrelevant since we can build even stronger and pound for pound lighter structures then bones. Another example of an attempt at misrepresentation. Guess what, Natural selection explains that. Critters born with bones that break easily die young and don't get to pass on their genes.And we can also design self repairing structures. Guess what, the critters born with parts that don't fit together die before they get to pass on their genes. Ain't Natural Selection great? Guess what. Critters born without the holes for bone marrow either use some other system or...die before they get to pass on their genes. Ain't Natural Selection great?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Everywhere. They are called extinct species. And as has been pointed out many times in this thread, the serious errors don't live long.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

If so then where is the problem? If a ball joint would serve the same function as a hinged joint then it is not a matter of one being the right arrangement and the other wrong but just what was pointed out to you back in Message 3 of this thread. No, that is not what folk say. No one claims that different joints were produced for anything.What folk have been saying is that joints, bones and muscles that don't function will leave the critter at an reproductive disadvantage.It is simple really. Them critters that are just good enough to get by survive. Them that can't, don't.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Let's stop and think for a second.What happens to a critter that is born with joints that don't work, muscles that don't control their limbs, bones too short, long or too weak?It doesn't keep up with the herd, avoid predators, it dies; it does not get to pass along its genes.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Do you have any idea how silly that question is and why so many folk here chuckle when you make such comments?It is really important that you understand how silly that one is, but to understand, you really need to figure it out on your own.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That's not a very good answer either so let's try again.Here is the post you were responding to. Let me try to help you.As a first step, what happens to a critter that is born with incomplete systems that are essential systems?We will go slowly through this.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You mean "The Lord has shown my heart that your fate has been sealed and to stay clear of you so this is the last I have to say to you." that one?What does that have to do with you learning the answer to the question you raised?Do you want to learn how life evolves?Let me try to help you.As a first step, what happens to a critter that is born with incomplete systems that are essential systems?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I still would like an answer to the question I've been asking you throughout this thread.What happens to a critter that is born with incomplete systems that are essential systems?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well, think about it and come back when you think you have it figured out.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I still would like an answer to the question I've been asking you throughout this thread.What happens to a critter that is born with incomplete systems that are essential systems?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So next step headed towards Evolving the Musculoskeletal System.What minimal systems are needed for something to be alive?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Nope, it is called a normal birth.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Of course there is evidence. A great example is that in the oldest known rocks there are chemicals but no signs of life. We can say with a very high degree of confidence that chemical reactions were going on before there was life.And yes, if life started as a chemical reaction it should be repeatable. And guess what, that is exactly what is being done in the Science of Abiogenesis.By definition, organisms are always fully formed.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!