I thought I would try my hand at finally starting a thread. I think in the coffee house one can just post one, or that is at least what it seems like. With this place being so lib I doubt this would be a popular thread, but heck I’m sure my rating here would be less than a 1 if possible.
I have been looking for a M1 Garand for a long time.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand Then I come across this article which makes me feel bad about my former Senator like I used when I lived in PR Illinois, it made me think of him as sinister and a sneaky like the last dem pres. Just as I was beginging to think of him in a better light (the DMV metro is rather lib, and it was growing on me), until I get a wake up call. Here is my take (the full article is linked below, and I tried to find it from other sources, but I could not in my quick search.
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The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.
The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March — a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.
I may as well jump in as well. I wonder why they changed their minds, I wonder what their logic is? It is really sad that this Administration is becoming what I thought it was going to be back in 08’.
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A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.
"The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com.
Could fall into the wrong handswow! Sounds like the State Department fell into the wrong hands to me. How would this exploitation be carried out, and why? The M1 Garand is an 8 round capacity 30-06 rifle with iron sights, and a retail cost of somewhere between $1500-$2500 depending on age and condition. It fires a 104 year old cartridge that costs about $1 per round.
Compare that to an eastern European AK-47 that sells for about $400-$600, comes with a standard 30 round magazine, and the ammo is about $0.30 per round, I got a 75 round drum magazine for another $100. One could outfit two AK-47s both with full 75 round capacity magazines (about $1400) for less than the price of 1 M1 Garand, and its completely legal to do so.
Not to mention that you have to pass a Federal Background check to purchase the M1 Garand. If you had some illicit purpose on your mind, why would you purchase a high sought after rifle that has been out of date in the USA for 53 years; that is expensive to get, and shoot? [rhetorical] because you wouldn’t, its just complete leftist bullshit as usual when they are talking about a topic they obvious know little if anything about.
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"Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."
Brady Campaign [LOL]. Why on earth would anyone ask those bozos for their lies? Shame on you Fox for even asking them, unless of course it was your goal to make them out for the liars they are.
1. what is a high capacity magazine?
The M1 Garand has an 8 round internal magazine, that is fed by a clip. Is 8 rounds high capacity?
2. The firepower is based on the ammo, and this rifle is not more powerful, and is in-fact less powerful than many legal calibers in the USA already.
3. It’s already legal to purchase both of these weapons.
Do we ban fast cars and motorcycles because they could be a danger? Wow I’m almost at a loss for words with people who think like this guy.
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M1 carbines can hold high-capacity ammunition clips that allow dozens of rounds to be fired before re-loading, but Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, noted that is true about any gun in which an ammunition magazine can be inserted -- including most semi-automatics.
"Anything that accepts an external magazine could accept a larger capacity magazine," Cox said.
"But the average number of rounds fired in the commission of a crime is somewhere between 1 and 2 this issue just shows how little the administration understands about guns."
But why include the almost 90k M1 Garands? It makes no sense. The Standard M1 Carbine detachable magazine holds 15 rounds (I think). My handgun holds more than that. Is 15 high capacity?
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He called the administration's decision "a de facto gun ban, courtesy of Hillary Clinton's State Department."
Of course it is.
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The Clinton administration blocked sales of M1s and other antiquated military weapons from the Philippines, Turkey and Pakistan. It also ended the practice of reselling used guns owned by federal agencies, ordering that they be melted down instead.
Mr. Obama, I thought you were smart enough not to follow in the footsteps of Mr. Clinton on this issue.
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"M1s are used for target practice. For history buffs, they're highly collectible. We're going to continue to make sure that this backdoor effort that infringes not only on lawful commerce but on the Second Amendment is rectified."
Henigan disagrees.
"They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity magazines makes them a special safety concern," he said.
Every firearm is a safety concern for the geniuses from Brady. The simple fact of the cost and cost of ammo as well as the background checks makes banning M1s a silly thing to defend. Being a military gun is a bad argument, and using ambiguous words like high-capacity just further shows the poor ability of the Brady campaign to articulate very well in this debate, which is sad because that is the whole reason they exist.
Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles | Fox News
I didn't see any other major new outlet reporting on this. Which sucks, I like to read it from both angles, I guess the liberal media is trying to keep this as quiet as the admin, especially since they learned their lesson in 1994.
I think this is really sad.
1. they are American Made firearms
2. I knew Obama was going to be like this
3. it just doesn't make any sense to ban the import of a semi-automatic that has been outdated for 53 years; and last seen real military use 57 years ago.
what is a "high capacity magazine"? I don't even think M1 Garands take a magazine, and why would anyone want to alter such a beautiful and historic piece of Americana in order to get a few more shots!?! (though I do understand why the move to .308 win might be a good modification)
I know the M1 Carbines take a magazine, but I think it is only a 15 round magazine maybe 30 rounds at most. I do not think I will ever understand the liberal mind, the lack of logic is amazing to me at times like this.
What do y'all think?
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