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Message 211 of 268 (598419)
12-30-2010 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Buzsaw
12-30-2010 7:43 PM


Re: Priori Misspelled.
Ah, priori: as in "not supported by fact" and "without observed facts" and in "without supporting evidence".

Gottcha. That makes sense.


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Message 212 of 268 (598427)
12-30-2010 8:34 PM
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12-30-2010 7:47 PM


Re: Priori Misspelled.
jar writes:

Ah, priori: as in "not supported by fact" and "without observed facts" and in "without supporting evidence".

It connotes more than what you've cited:

Webster Online Dictionary:

presupposed by experience
2a : being without examination or analysis : presumptive b : formed or conceived beforehand

Latin, literally, from the former


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.
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Message 213 of 268 (598428)
12-30-2010 8:39 PM
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12-30-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Priori Misspelled.
I'm fairly certain that what you're talking about is a Latin phrase, a priori. Of course, if that is what you mean, your point is simply wrong. What you claim to be an a priori belief of science is in fact largely supported by evidence, and where the evidence indicates otherwise, is discarded.


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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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jar
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Message 214 of 268 (598430)
12-30-2010 8:49 PM
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12-30-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Priori Misspelled.
Thanks for adding those definitions Buz.

quote:
presupposed by experience
2a : being without examination or analysis : presumptive b : formed or conceived beforehand

Note: "being without examination or analysis; presumptive; formed or conceived beforehand."

None of the definitions are related to what science does.


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Message 215 of 268 (598432)
12-30-2010 9:11 PM
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12-30-2010 8:34 PM


Priori Misspelled and misused
The priori of the....

It isn't a noun Buz.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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Message 216 of 268 (598447)
12-30-2010 10:33 PM


Re: Putting it to rest and moving on.
Thanks folks. I've checked around on the usage of the term in science and I see I've miss-applied the term. I'll scrap it until I get a better handle on it's application.
  
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Message 217 of 268 (598558)
01-01-2011 11:40 AM
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12-29-2010 6:58 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
jar writes:

How? Why is it opinion? Is there any evidence of some directed force?

I didn't claim that there was. There is also no evidence that there isn't. Whether there is or isn't is as I said just opinion.

jar writes:

No, it is observation. We see things becoming more complex and less complex. No directionality.

The earth evolved from the basic elements and life evolved to where we are today. That sure looks like directionality to me.


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Message 218 of 268 (598560)
01-01-2011 11:49 AM
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01-01-2011 11:40 AM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
GDR writes:

jar writes:

No, it is observation. We see things becoming more complex and less complex. No directionality.

The earth evolved from the basic elements and life evolved to where we are today. That sure looks like directionality to me.

And things are also moving from more complex to less complex. Uranium decays to lead.

If you are simply selecting out those things that seem to support YOUR desired outcome, what is that called?


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Message 219 of 268 (598568)
01-01-2011 12:26 PM
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01-01-2011 11:49 AM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
jar writes:

And things are also moving from more complex to less complex. Uranium decays to lead.

And life forms have evolved from less complex to more complex.

jar writes:

If you are simply selecting out those things that seem to support YOUR desired outcome, what is that called?

I don't have desired outcome. You had made the following assertion.

jar writes:

First, evolution is simply change over time.

Second, it is NOT directed.

Third there is no directionality.

I merely pointed out that your view that evolution is not directed is just opinion. (Presumably your desired outcome) It was you that made the assertion.

There is no scientific evidence either way.


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Message 220 of 268 (598572)
01-01-2011 12:35 PM
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01-01-2011 12:26 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
GDR writes:

jar writes:

And things are also moving from more complex to less complex. Uranium decays to lead.

And life forms have evolved from less complex to more complex.

And from more complex to less complex.

GDR writes:

jar writes:

If you are simply selecting out those things that seem to support YOUR desired outcome, what is that called?

I don't have desired outcome. You had made the following assertion.

jar writes:

First, evolution is simply change over time.

Second, it is NOT directed.

Third there is no directionality.

I merely pointed out that your view that evolution is not directed is just opinion. (Presumably your desired outcome) It was you that made the assertion.

There is no scientific evidence either way.

Directed as in direction.

There is scientific evidence that it is the result of mutation (including variations) filtered by Natural Selection.

There is NO evidence for some intervention force.

But still, what does any of this have to do with determining what is life?


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Message 221 of 268 (598574)
01-01-2011 12:40 PM
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Re: What is the simplest life form?
jar writes:

There is scientific evidence that it is the result of mutation (including variations) filtered by Natural Selection.


I agree

jar writes:

There is NO evidence for some intervention force.

And again, there is no evidence that there isn't. It is opinion.


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Message 222 of 268 (598576)
01-01-2011 12:48 PM
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01-01-2011 12:40 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
HUH?

There is evidence for one and no evidence for the other.

But again, what does that have to do with the question "What is life"?


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Message 223 of 268 (598579)
01-01-2011 1:01 PM
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Re: What is the simplest life form?
jar writes:

There is evidence for one and no evidence for the other.

What is the evidence that evolution guided by natural selection isn't directed?


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Message 224 of 268 (598580)
01-01-2011 1:03 PM
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01-01-2011 1:01 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
That what we see can be explained without the necessity of some critter meddling and no evidence of even a model for how the meddler might intervene.

But again, what does that have to do with the question "What is life"?


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Message 225 of 268 (598589)
01-01-2011 1:22 PM
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01-01-2011 1:03 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
jar writes:

That what we see can be explained without the necessity of some critter meddling and no evidence of even a model for how the meddler might intervene.

That isn't evidence for some critter, as you like to put it, not meddling. It is your opinion.

jar writes:

But again, what does that have to do with the question "What is life"?

My posts have been in response to what you wrote so I should be asking the question of you. However, there were statements made at the beginning by others such as the first one that said:

quote:
Life imo is a emergent property of energy.

which is obviously trying to make the materialistic case, and that seemed to be accepted as answering the question.

My only point is that you made a statement that was intended to be read as fact for which you have no evidence and is strictly your opinion.


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