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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Among informed experts, however, there's just no dispute about the fundamental accuracy of the theory of evolution and its explanation for the history and diversity of life on Earth. For good reason: there's more evidence for every aspect of evolution than for any other scientific theory, any finding of any court of law, or any medical diagnosis ever made by a doctor. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited by Admin, : Hide content-free text. Please, no replies.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
ICDEISGN: The topic is about beneficial mutations, not the development of new functions. You stopped participating in the thread where new functions were the topic. Please return to that thread if you want to discuss new functions.
Everyone else: Please, no replies to this message. --Admin Crashfrog writes: there's more evidence for every aspect of evolution than for any other scientific theory, any finding of any court of law, or any medical diagnosis ever made by a doctor. Then Crashfrog turns right around and writes:
If your notions... are true they'll be true because of the evidence that supports them. But that evidence doesn't include the mere fact that you're making the argument. That's circular reasoning. So lets see your evidence please. You said "every" aspect of evolution so I'll make it easy on you and ask for just one;Lets see the evidence that rm/ns is capable of producing a useful NEW function! ...lets see the mountain of evidence that surpasses "any finding of any court of law, or any medical diagnosis ever made by a doctor" Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Add moderator comment.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: there's more evidence for every aspect of evolution than for any other scientific theory, any finding of any court of law, or any medical diagnosis ever made by a doctor. What an outrageous exaggeration!!! Then Crashfrog turns right around and says:
If your notions of creationism are true they'll be true because of the evidence that supports them. But that evidence doesn't include the mere fact that you're making the argument. That's circular reasoning. Lets see the mountain of evidence for beneficial mutations that surpasses "any finding of any court of law, or any medical diagnosis ever made by a doctor"
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
greyseal writes: In each and every case, the mutations were naturally occuring and beneficial in some form. That's all well and good greyseal. We don't dispute mico-evolution does take place in rare instances.My problem is with gross exaggerations such that Crashfrog made. Respectfully,IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Every single living organism is evidence for evolution by natural selection and random mutation. NO it isn't. Every single living organism is evidence of an intelligent Designer. Every organism has clear design with intelligence. Your saying it isn't true doesn't change the clear facts.
Yes there is proof of beneficial mutations. You've been shown it over and over again. I don't disagree with that. They are called variations of existing information!
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: That's why every thread or conversation you've ever started on the subject has ended with your retreat. Its funny how evolutionists can go on and on off topic as well as insult me and yet the moderators never say a word. I mentioned new function earlier and was immediately red tagged on this thread. And I never retreat in defeat but retire in victory. I make my point and go. Just like my last thread. You failed to make your case as far as I was concerned. You guys will have the last word if you have to keep at it for a 1000 posts. I am secure enough in my position to make my point and retire. As always Crashfrog, I disagree with 98% of everything you say because you are wrong that often, including this post I am responding to.
These variations increase or decrease the information content of an organism's genome and produce new function. All you can produce for evidence is minor variations. A bacteria with a different diet and insignificant minor variations such as that. OOhh what a grand new function.Show me an animal that has a new and better function over its relatives that is a result of the evolution of the past several thousand years. Lets see some evidence like that.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Am I wrong? Is there a thread you've started on this subject that you've not abandoned? Yes, as usual you are wrong. I haven't "abandoned" anything. I explained to you once already.I made my point and now retire the subject. You are welcome to get your childish last word in. Be my guest. I am ready to retire from this thread as well because as always you have nothing to offer as evidence.Here is a case in point: I said an animal, you came back with... How would we show you that, since several thousand years would exceed the length of human civilization?
.....So are you telling me you think the human race evolved in a few thousand years?
and you'll just dispute that they are the ancestors. Won't you?
I'll probably have to if I want to keep speaking the truth.
But if you're so sure I'm wrong why don't you make an effort to prove it?
I have shown you the evidence time and time again how the design of it all couldn't possiblybe done without the aid of intelligence. You always fail to prove otherwise. Its that simple. Isn't a "new function" exactly what you claimed evolution could not, under any circumstances, produce?
A NEW function and a MODIFIED function are two entirely different classifications so let me clarify.I believe a mutation can modify a function but not create an entirely new function. Show me an entirely new function caused by mutations. Will respond tomorrow if its worth my breath,IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy said this isn't the thread to discuss new function so I will decline to refute the several points I disagree with you about.
IC
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4797 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Percy writes: You've had five replies waiting for you for over a week over at your Evolving the Musculoskeletal System thread, see your Message 232. That would be an excellent thread to discuss the evolution of new functions. You can also respond to Mr Jack's post over there, just be sure to be clear that you're responding to a message from another thread. OK, thanks Percy. Can I start out with "back by popular demand"?...Yeah right, as the guy you love to gang up on Actually, I have more questions than ever with the many things that aren't lining up with what you guys have been proclaiming. So I think I WILL revisit that thread for some more robust sword fighting.I don't have the time to devote as so many of you seem to have but I will be back over there soon. Wanting to keep it as friendly as possible,IC
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