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"One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. "Oh, no," I said. "Disneyland burned down." He cried and cried, but I think that deep down, he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late." ~ Jack Handy- Oni

I believe that Adam and Eve were real people, that as the initial pair of humans they were the progenitors of the whole human race, that they were specially created by God, and thus that they were not the result of an evolutionary process from primate or hominid ancestors. -- William A. Dembski (Courtesy of Pharyngula)

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

[Glenn R. Morton, practicing petroleum geologist and staunch creationist, asked John Morris of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR)], 'How old is the earth?' 'If the earth is more than 10,000 years old then Scripture has no meaning.' Morton then said that he had hired several graduates of Christian Heritage College [which formerly housed the ICR], and that all of them suffered severe crises of faith. They were utterly unprepared to face the geological facts every petroleum geologist deals with on a daily basis.Reported by Robert Schadewald at the 1986 International Conference on Creationism
(The 1986 International Conference on Creationism by Robert Schadewald, Creation/Evolution Newsletter, Volume 6, Number 5, September/October 1986, NCSE, pp 8-14.)Corroborated by Glenn Morton in Why I left Young-earth Creationism.Edited by dwise1, : Expanded context of the quote

Someone that I know has become an atheist because of this class, because the creationist theory was so stupid, he thought. Well, if religion requires me to believe this, then I don't want to have any part of it.
JP Hunt, student in Ray Baird's 1980 "balanced treatment" class at Emma C. Smith Elementary School, Livermore, CA, in Creation vs Evolution: Battle in the Classroom, KPBS-TV, aired 7 July 1982

I still hold some anger because I believe the evangelical Christian community did not properly prepare me for the creation/evolution debate. They gave me a gun loaded with blanks, and sent me out. I was creamed.
-- Scott Rauch in Glenn Morton's The Effect of Scientific Error in Christian Apologetics

As said in the original Don’t Use page, the harm is in using something which is not true, because the cause of the one who is ‘the truth’ cannot be helped thereby. And your own recent experience reinforces something else we saidthat using discredited arguments can backfire on the user. So our aim was to help Christians to avoid arguments that are likely to backfire, and return their focus to the Word of God not ‘evidence’.
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But more and more over the last few years, we have noticed tens of thousands of Christians excitedly using arguments over the Web, for instance, that are a plain embarrassment to those with scientific training. It was like watching your brother enter the ring thinking he had a killer punch, and watching him get cut to ribbons. Further, and most importantly, it had escalated to the point where it was a hindrance to soul winning, since it gave the hearers a ‘legitimate’ excuse to reject Christ. And all we did at that point was to publish an ‘advice’ article. The only time it became relevant to a specific creationist was when Kent [Hovind] himself decided to align himself publicly with a justification of false arguments. If it had been one or two minor points of disagreement, OK, but when it reinforces some of the most blatant fallacies, and even defends fraud, at what point does one NOT face one's responsibilities to the innocents being ‘slaughtered’ in the belief that they are getting sound ammunition?

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... , we actually do know people who say they almost gave the faith away when they found out that a particular argument was fallacious, and who say that finding Christians with the integrity to avoid falsehood, no matter what the cost, helped restore it. Also, in the last day or so, a leading atheistic anti-creationist organization said that while they disagreed with almost everything we stand for, they said we were ‘admirable’ and ‘showed integrity’ in trying to persuade other creationists not to use bad arguments. Who knows what sort of witness this could be? We know of many people, outside and inside of the church, who will no longer even look at or consider the authority of the Bible in Genesis, in its history, cosmology, etc. because of bad experiences with blatant pseudo-arguments applied by enthusiasts who had been fed creationist non-arguments.-- Dr Jonathan Sarfati of Answers In Genesis (AiG) in AiG Negative Feedback, 02 December 2002 (link broken)

What a myth never contains is the critical power to separate its truth from its errors.
- Walter Lippmann

Of course the press today entails all media mediums. Oh, so true, and relative to America's decline, excalating since the days of big syndicated news and the vanishing of the local small hometown press. Not to mention the lamestream media, i.e. mainsteam electronic media, as Rush Limbaugh describes it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Please give the source. I can find no reference to put this with Jefferson. If I am wrong please let me know.The only thing I can find is something similar by Pulitzer.

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"Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together,"

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

As if that buffoon were not a part of the Evil Media he complains about.....

You spelled Sarah Palin wrong.......

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

I actually had a chance to go see Limbaugh live once, back around 1990 in Wichita, Kansas. But I had taken a plane there, and didn't pack my harpoon.- Coragyps

You're not going to find everything last thing any of the founders said via Google or any search engine. I got this from a book or another source which I considered to be reliable when I was younger and have been citing it from time to time since.Perhaps Pulitzer got his thinking in this line from the same source.I will see what I can find.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You have no source. Don't be a condescending ass. I am well versed in research. Almost verything Jefferson wrote is available on the internet. Search engines are not the only way to find things like this. University libraries are online and actually quite easy to research. Ever heard of the University of Virginia?When you find that book let me know. You have used this lame excuse in the past. Just because you have stated this in the past before does not make it correct. Cite a source, if you can't then quit attributing it to Jefferson. It doesn't even sound like Jefferson.If you can find a source I will retract my remarks.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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"The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure." --Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491

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"Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786.

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Home - Thomas Jefferson - LibGuides at UVa Library
Notice how I can show where the quotes came from and I can even provide a real source. A fairly reputable source at that.Also you will notice that Jefferson does not have the fear of the press your spurious quote implies.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts