Cause of Civil War

If I were you, I would retract this statement before this Saturday, when I will have the time to heavily document how the South sabotaged the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights prior to the Civil War through terrorist actions such as state-sanctioned lynch mobs.Patriot my ass.

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

Here is small sample of mobbing violence supporters of slavery, egged on by their Southern backers, used to suppress free speech as guaranteed under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:The order is place, action, response, verdict (often under intimidation).July 20, 1833 Jackson County, Mo. Evening and Morning Star Print shop destroyed, forced to move Recovered minor property damagesOct. 21, 1835 Boston The Liberator Office ransacked, editor assaulted Editor cited for fomenting riotOct. 21, 1835 Utica, N.Y. Oneida Standard and Democrat Type thrown into street Grand jury refuses to indict member of mobJuly 12, 1836 Cincinnati Philanthropist Press destroyed NothingJuly 21, 1836 St. Louis Observer Print shop damaged One person acquitted of breach of peaceJuly 24, 1836 Alton, Ill. Observer Press tossed in river NothingJuly 30, 1836 Cincinnati Philanthropist Print shop damaged, press thrown in river Recovered property damagesAug. 21, 1837 Alton, Ill. Observer Press destroyed Trial ended inconclusivelySept. 21, 1837 Alton, Ill. Observer Press destroyed NothingNov. 7, 1837 Alton, Ill. Observer Press destroyed, editor killed Attackers and defenders acquitted of riotMay 17, 1838 Philadelphia Pennsylvania Freeman Print shop destroyed in general riot Property damages recoveredSept. 3, 1841 Cincinnati Philanthropist Print shop destroyed in general riot NothingApril 1843 Peoria, Ill. Register Intimidation ends coverage of abolitionism NothingAug. 18, 1845 Lexington, Ky. True American Print shop dismantled Property damages recoveredSept. 1847 Cambridge, Ohio Clarion of Freedom Paper forced to move NothingApril 18—20, 1848 Washington, D.C. National Era Mob threatened editor NothingAug. 1851 Newport, Ky. News Print shop burned NothingApril 14, 1855 Parkville, Mo. Industrial Luminary Press and type thrown in river Property damages recoveredMay 21, 1856 Lawrence, Kans. Territory Free State and Herald of Freedom Presses destroyed, editor detained NothingOct. 28—29, 1859 Newport, Ky. Free South Press damaged Grand jury indicted rioters, reverses selfSource: Page not found | History CooperativeThe internet is wimpy in this respect, there is a lot more. It's called books.Come Saturday, we (likely meaning I) will discuss the suppression of free speech in the antebellum South (as in deep South).Let's Rock!Edited by anglagard, : Damn, gettin' old, forgot sourceEdited by anglagard, : Saturday's discussion

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

The truth hurts and evidently too much truth hurts some so much, the reptilian brain kicks in.Thanks for making my case for me.

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

Had it been Bismarck, Roon, and Moltke instead of Lincoln, Halleck, and {insert name of favorite idiot Union general here}, I would have given the Confederacy about three months, and even that is probably generous.Had it been Napoleon, Talleyrand, and Nay - two months.Had it been Santa Ana - hello CSA today - evidently potty mouth's wet dream.Then again had it been Lopez of Paraguay, there would be no USA.Democracy is not necessarily the best system available in wartime, but as the aforementioned Bismarck said "there is a providence that protects drunks, children, idiots, and the USA."

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

Unfortunately for all involved, the North sure took their time about it.I agree with you, be it state's rights or suppression of first amendment rights, it all goes back to the issue of slavery as the overriding cause.I also add that IMO your performance in this thread has been exemplary.

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

Don't forget, the South demanded that any and all talk of abolition be suppressed, , not just in the South but the North as well, regardless of the First Amendment.After all, the supporters of slavery demanded the death penalty for anyone in the entire USA who stated slavery was morally wrong.I still have the goods on this, just haven't supplied the references because I have not felt the need now that potty mouth is gone, at least for now. A succinct and IMO true observation, given what I have read.

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen