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ramoss
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Message 132 of 152 (240977)
09-07-2005 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by iano
09-07-2005 7:46 AM


Re: How do you eant an elephant?
Oh yes, the redefining of things after the presentation of evidence.
You said that you don't see one species turning into another species. That is known as speciation. The fact you didn't know that term doesn't mean that doesn't describe 'One species turning into another'.
Those events are showing how one species can turn into two seperate species.. where they can not interbreed. What happens at that juncture is that each species goes their own merry way, and if put under the proper environmental pressure, you will see a bigger and bigger differnces.
That is how Chimps and humans can share a common ancestor. You asked for how one species can turn into another, that was shown. The concept of evolution insistes on SMALL changes at one time.. not large ones. Baby steps, baby steps.
That is why you are moving the goal posts. You asked for 'changing into another species'. That was shown. YOu then moved the goal posts and said 'But they are the same KIND'. For example, the faero island mouse is sitll a mouse, yes, but it is a different SPECIES of mouse.
Maybe you don't know what a species is?

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ramoss
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Message 135 of 152 (241024)
09-07-2005 11:41 AM
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09-07-2005 11:22 AM


Re: How do you eant an elephant?
Not quite right. While we won't know how it happened from a historical point of view, the experiments can show it MIGHT have happened. There are probably many paths to get from just plain organic chemical reactions to the condition we can reconise as life. It won't be a 'brute force' method, but only observing what happens to various chemicals in certain conditions. That won't say that things happened exactly that way, but it will show how things very well could have happened without the need of some mythical being tampering with things.

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ramoss
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Message 147 of 152 (242107)
09-10-2005 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by iano
09-07-2005 3:54 PM


Re: How do you eant an elephant?
How probable? We can show that the pathways follow the observed behavior of organic chemistry, in a repeatable fashion. THere will undoubtable many different paths to the same results.
If 1000 different paths to the same results are found, does it matter which path is actually taken, except as a historical curiousity?
When we find out a path that is totally naturalistic, why do we have to invoke the supernatural for an explaination?
Can you show me a way to test that any god exists?

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