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Rahvin
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Message 34 of 152 (237438)
08-26-2005 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by iano
08-26-2005 3:46 PM


Re: The appliance of Science
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao. They all led rabidly atheistic regiemes and they killed many more people in a few short years than religion has done in total since the dawn of time
Correction:
Hitler was a self-professed Christian, and used Christian rhetoric in his persecution of the Jews.
Some selections from "Mein Kampf:"
quote:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
"Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election"6 (Hitler was fond of paraphrasing the Bible (Mark 10:25 in this case), and he does this many, many times elsewhere in the book).
"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."
"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."
"And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world."
"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."
There's a lot more, but I can only take so much of that book in one sitting.
Hitler was a Christian, and viewed the extermination of the Jews as a religious crusade.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 94 of 152 (239158)
08-31-2005 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by LauraG
08-31-2005 4:34 PM


Re: Science revealing God...
You have a why and a presumption as to the answer: NO EVOLUTION. Your presumption is based on what YOU think Evolution should or shouldn't do. Your demand is that it provides evidence on YOUR terms. But again, if you consider what it would be you would no doubt agree that its way of revealing itself (presuming again that you indeed wanted it to) might well be done on ITS terms not yours. I asked before if you would consider what Evolution would be like - if it existed. If you carried out this one minute exercise you may have noticed your jaw dropping onto the keyboard. The word 'humility' may have flashed across your skull.
Stop trying to reduce Evolution to your size for a moment and consider that if it was able to make a logical, ordered and predictable world it was able to do other things as well which you may not be as privy to. Especially if you don't want to be.
Hmmm. Still fits pretty well, doesn't it?
Bold indicates my edits to iano's original text.
Lol, that was both highly amusing and entirely accurate.helpdesk

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