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Author Topic:   The Giant Pool Of Money. Implications
Jon
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Message 3 of 423 (585069)
10-05-2010 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-05-2010 9:48 AM


Magic behind the Curtain
When you increase the amount of money while failing to increase the amount of goods/services which back that money, you create inflation.
Such an increase has nothing to do with people making more shit; it is fat-cats in suits using fancy accounting tricks to make it look like there's more money than there actually is, and in so doing they decrease the value of the money that everyone holds.
There weren't twice as many good investments.
There are enough things in which to invest to suck up the world's money supply many times over. To say there were no places for investment other than stupid, con-artist, get-rich-quick schemes is just a lie.
And there are a lot of reasons for this growth, but the main one was that a lot of countries that used to be poor, that used to have no real savings, suddenly became rich.
I suppose these people can sleep better at night believing that poor countries have become rich and lost their money of their own foul doings, but this is simply not true. Poor countries building their manufacturing centers are certainly not to blame.
Jon
Edited by Jon, : Tenses: up-tight, let-loose, present

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Jon
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Message 25 of 423 (585436)
10-08-2010 10:23 AM
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10-06-2010 12:58 PM


Re: Magic behind the Curtain
How can my Moms nest egg be invested to give her a livable 6-8% return so that she doesn't have to rely on her deadbeat son to support her?
If you think short termlike an investment that will pay off 6% before an 87-year-old woman dies short termyour investment will be crap and will make things worse for the long term. Besides, you and I both know that your mom is doing just fine financially; you only wanna load her up to the gills so she can leave you a shipping-crate full of cash when she dies.
Name just a few of these abundant investments that have not been covered previously.
Renewable energy; garbage reduction (product packaging, etc.); resource management; education; government reform...
How will they provide a return?
If 'provide a return' means double within 4 months, they won'tonly crappy get-rich-quick-scheme investments do that. But if you mean create benefits that will continue paying off in better standards of living for generations to come as well as an increasingly more biodiverse and habitable planet with less war and hatred and more cooperation, then I think the returns are self-evident.
There is no shortage of money or resources for doing the right thing; there is only a shortage of will power.
Jon

"Can we say the chair on the cat, for example? Or the basket in the person? No, we can't..." - Harriet J. Ottenheimer
"Dim bulbs save on energy..." - jar

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Jon
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Message 27 of 423 (585439)
10-08-2010 10:36 AM
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10-08-2010 10:32 AM


Re: This American Life/N.P.R. Planet Money
Jon writes:
If 'provide a return' means double within 4 months, they won'tonly crappy get-rich-quick-scheme investments do that. But if you mean create benefits that will continue paying off in better standards of living for generations to come as well as an increasingly more biodiverse and habitable planet with less war and hatred and more cooperation, then I think the returns are self-evident.
Money belongs to people and supports its owners first and the planet next. Of course we seek to invest in the planet, but the planet needs to at least pay us the rate of inflation for our money to be properly invested.
Huh?
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

"Can we say the chair on the cat, for example? Or the basket in the person? No, we can't..." - Harriet J. Ottenheimer
"Dim bulbs save on energy..." - jar

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Jon
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Message 86 of 423 (615785)
05-16-2011 6:40 PM
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05-16-2011 5:55 PM


Re: What Is Money?
Is there a possibility that life in the U.S. may get even worse than it is now?
It's not just a possibility. But you knew that already.
Edited by Jon, : clarity

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Jon
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Message 91 of 423 (615801)
05-16-2011 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by crashfrog
05-16-2011 7:14 PM


Re: What Is Money?
In an economy with 9% [un]employment or more, factories lying idle, goods languishing in warehouses, printing money stimulates demand and puts people back to work. Inflation happens when there's more money to chase the same amount of goods and services. But when people are unemployed, you can increase the amount of goods and services and prevent inflation.
Still on with this, are we?
What is there to buy? What do you need? What do I need? I could use a vacuum, that's for sure. But my needs are pretty much met. All I need is enough money coming in to replace the stuff that goes out on consumable expenses. Any extra money is spent on junk; wasted on non-essentials; thrown into causes and products that provide no real return.
Driving an economy by encouraging people to spend money on useless junk? Not a plan.
And even worse: buying more useless junk still won't help with your idle factories and unemployed people, since little of the junk bought is actually manufactured domestically.
Currently inflation is at less than 2%, despite several decades of deficit spending and three years of economic stimulus.
The fact that there is any inflation at all should tell you that more money thrown blindly into the system is not the answer. A consumption-driven approach is not the solution.
But we've been over this before; you seem dead-set in thinking the world is run by bunny rabbits in marshmallow hats. I don't see that changing.
Jon

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