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Davidjay 
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Message 196 of 274 (803914)
04-05-2017 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Hawkins
06-21-2016 4:09 PM


Revelation 13 describes the chip monetary system which is now being introduced in different ways through out the world, and the enthralled and shallow are taking it voluntarily as a socalled faster, safer way to do their banking, buying and selling.

Its just another fulfilled prophecy, as time is by design.

Man proposes and denies, God desposes.

Is there anyone HERE that sees it otherwise. Its simple literary comprehension. Theres no debate HERE about Revelation 13 being about todays economics, as we become a cashless society by force.

Please read and study and live out current events, or go to your bank etc ... and find out whats happening.


Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

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jar
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Message 197 of 274 (803927)
04-05-2017 6:14 PM
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04-05-2017 5:06 PM


Sorry Charlie but only a fool would compare the system in Revelation to credit cards
Davidjay writes:

Revelation 13 describes the chip monetary system which is now being introduced in different ways through out the world, and the enthralled and shallow are taking it voluntarily as a socalled faster, safer way to do their banking, buying and selling.

Bullshit. Sorry Charlie but that is simply another falsehood from you.

Revelation refers to things that were supposed to have happened over a thousand years ago and is just yet another example of the many failed prophecies found in the Bible stories.

What is described as an economic system in Revelation is utterly stupid and could never work. It is absurd and only a fool would consider it as anything but the rantings of someone totally ignorant of economics. The so called Mark does not even identify the purchaser or seller and so is worthless as anything except fantasy.


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Message 198 of 274 (803955)
04-06-2017 12:23 AM
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04-05-2017 5:06 PM


quote:

Revelation 13 describes the chip monetary system which is now being introduced in different ways through out the world...

You should try reading the Bible rather than gullibly falling for the silliness made up by some preachers.


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Message 199 of 274 (803968)
04-06-2017 6:13 AM


The "mark of the beast" may not be something physical. It may be refer to a refusal to conform to the Zeitgeist that will lead to exclusion of some kind. For example, anyone who opposes evolution will be black-banned from being employed by a university ... or anyone who refuses to bake a cake for a same-sex marriage will not be able to own a bakery ... etc, etc, etc. Think of the Nazi exclusion of Jews from German society, but in a different context.

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Message 200 of 274 (803973)
04-06-2017 7:11 AM
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04-06-2017 6:13 AM


Dredge writes:

The "mark of the beast" may not be something physical. It may be refer to a refusal to conform to the Zeitgeist that will lead to exclusion of some kind. For example, anyone who opposes evolution will be black-banned from being employed by a university ... or anyone who refuses to bake a cake for a same-sex marriage will not be able to own a bakery ... etc, etc, etc. Think of the Nazi exclusion of Jews from German society, but in a different context.

And in typical True Christian™ fashion you simply start making shit up instead of actually reading what was written. It always amazes me how True Christian™s always try to make up fantasies to make the Bible and the God they create and market fit their storyline and yet claim they believe in the Bible.


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Message 201 of 274 (804009)
04-06-2017 12:23 PM
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04-05-2017 5:06 PM


Davidjay writes:

Its simple literary comprehension.


So is understanding that Long John Silver was a pirate who was "smart as paint". Understanding what the literature says has no bearing on whether or not the literature is true.
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Davidjay 
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Message 202 of 274 (804080)
04-07-2017 12:13 AM
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04-06-2017 12:23 PM


Paul K has it right, simple language comprehension in Revelation 13 leaves no doubt that the chip is now HERE and starting to be used by the dumb and dumber.

No, not all people take it. You can die or live in the third beautiful world where bartering and trading, and bank cards and chips do not rule, but in the vile 1st world you will probably only make it a few months before you starve or are hunted down.

So as Paul states.... you can read your Bible or Truth Book, or Science Jounal of the Ages, or you can get real and note that they have started the cashless society. Think darn yas think, use your God given heads for more than an ornament on your shoulders.

Know current events, know the deceptions, know the course of history, know prophecy, be prepared rather than so unprepared and dumb and getting dumber.

If you take the MARK, youre a goner you have soul your soul. Sorry too late, fight it all you want, but you will no better someday...


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 203 of 274 (804081)
04-07-2017 12:23 AM
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04-07-2017 12:13 AM


quote:

Paul K has it right, simple language comprehension in Revelation 13 leaves no doubt that the chip is now HERE and starting to be used by the dumb and dumber.

Oh, I AM right, but you aren't. There is no doubt that Revelation 13 does not describe anything in current use or likely to come into use in the forseeable future. Even the idea that it describes a monetary system has no support in the text - which does not even indicated that the marks have the features a monetary system would require.

Now go away and try reading the Bibke instead of falling for the nonsense invented by idiot preachers.


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Message 204 of 274 (804094)
04-07-2017 7:25 AM
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04-07-2017 12:23 AM


the preachers are mostly not idiots
PaulK writes:

Now go away and try reading the Bible instead of falling for the nonsense invented by idiot preachers.

The preachers for the most part are not idiots. They are often very bright and understand that True Christians™ are taught to check their brains at the door, to believe source over content and that they are incapable of even reading and must have everything interpreted for them. The preachers know they have willing dupes that desire to be conned, that will believe things so obviously false (like the inerrant Bible) and so will buy any nonsense that the preachers market as testimony.


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Davidjay 
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Message 205 of 274 (804118)
04-07-2017 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-09-2010 6:13 PM


Correcting Jar's Opening Comments
Jar wrote...

"""""Biblically/prophetically, this is on tract, corroborating other end time prophecies. Why? Because it is prophesied in the book of Revelation, chapter 13 that all nations, tribes and tongues will, in the apocalyptic end times be required to buy or sell via marks and numbers implanted in the right hand or forehead.

I see this as relevant to what's going on. All global currencies will fail, necessitating a global monetary system in which all money is globally regulated and secured by a global government so as to be totally safe from theft and/or inflation. Christians are forbidden to receive this mark; thus the great tribulation and global persecution of Christians (also prophesied by Jesus and the apostles).

from: Message 46

Here is the passage from Revelation 13:

quote:
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16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

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Let's look at this passage.

First, everybody gets the same number and the number does NOT identify the individual but rather "The Beast". There is no mention that this is some substitute for money or goods or any other method of buying or selling.

Second, everybody gets the number. There is nothing in the passage about Christians being forbidden to get the "Mark".

So let's see if there is anyway that this passage could be talking about money, currency, that buying or selling is "via marks and numbers implanted in the right hand or forehead"?

As mentioned above, the mark is the same for every person. It does not identify the individual or any account or currency, it just identifies "The Second Beast". There is no way it can be used to effect some transaction.

Second, is there anything that says Christians would not be allowed to have the "Mark"?"""

Jar because you only did a superficiasl reading of Revelation 13, you have numerous mistakes. Remember prophecy is an exact design of the Lord for the future, just as history from the beginning is an exact design of the past, straight from the beginning without missing links.

You have to be thorough and complete, Prophecy is not a ten second comprehension. You need to know all prophecies or most of them to start to piece all the truths together. In prophecy unlike evolution non thinking, everything fits together cohesively.

The money systems fail not because the central banks have indebted everyone and everycountry by design of their perfideous
elite owners, but because the vile, want the whole world and not just parts of it. They need their one man rule, the AC. (Surkov)

The mid term war in the Tribulation, the nuclear war brings down or destroys three nuclear nations, leaving the victor to rule. He, the beast, installs his countries financial system, to the voctor goes the spoils, and demands all countries to obey. Read it again after a good nights sleep.

Then anybody that doesnt take the chip, gets hunted down and killed. If church people or mosque people or synagogue people take the MARK out of fear of death, they have sold their souls as mentioned.

Yes churchies can take the MARK like any other religion, for their is only one religion in the endtime and they will obey. But the Mark takers, have sould their soul for bread and the right to buy and sell.

Now have a sleep and wake up refreshed and take in the whole story.... the whole truth

Thanks

If you have sane questions, no problem just ask.


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 206 of 274 (804122)
04-07-2017 9:46 AM
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04-07-2017 9:42 AM


Re: Confirming Jar's Comments on brainless church people
Jar is absolutely correct when talking about brainless church people who are taught not to think and just be mindless followers of the church system and or just keep paying the pastor to appease them or teach them crazy doctrines of do nothingness and stay so called holy.

Church people dont know their Christian faith for the most part, have never done what Jesus said to do, and have no idea what is going on in the world, and yet are as aggressive and war mongering as the political systems they sponsor and support, as they deem them righteous and holy, in killing the poor.

(yemen, etc etc etc etc etc.. amen)

Just Propose a NEW TOPIC on the exact verses that these wolf like churches use, and we can pin point exactly some of these insane or twisted exact phrases. Its not vague but rather blunt.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 207 of 274 (804123)
04-07-2017 9:48 AM
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04-07-2017 9:42 AM


Re: Correcting Jar's Opening Comments
Davidjay writes:

Jar because you only did a superficiasl reading of Revelation 13, you have numerous mistakes. Remember prophecy is an exact design of the Lord for the future, just as history from the beginning is an exact design of the past, straight from the beginning without missing links.

Sorry but that is simply another falsehood. Almost all examples of Biblical prophecy have failed. Biblical prophecy is simply a history of failure after failure spawning a business of apologists who get to make shit up for the willfully ignorant True Christians™.

Revelation is a classic example of apocalyptic literature that was supposed to have happened over a thousand years ago and is not just ancient history but false ancient history.


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Davidjay 
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Message 208 of 274 (804125)
04-07-2017 9:55 AM
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Re: Correcting Jar's Opening Comments
Now Jar, as mentioned take some time off and study and read before getting more confused and falling back to your ignorance of prophecy rather than your study of prophecy.

No prophecy has ever failed, majority of people fail to understand prophecy because they dont listen to the Lord and see only the bark of their pet peeve rather than the tree or the forest.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Prophecyshallbefulfilled.html

So now, forget your stumbling block or blocks and get back to the subject, stay on TOPIC.

Cashless society, chips, scanning technology...... then figure out
nuclear war, controlling elite, one man rule ... put it together via the Lords help.. and you'll make progress rather than digressing to your pet peeve, because you csant figure prophecy out.

Remember nothing is hidden that shall not be revealed. So you can reveal these mysteries, use honesty and effort... Ha and as mentioned a little sleep

IHS

David


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 209 of 274 (804132)
04-07-2017 10:18 AM
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04-07-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Correcting Jar's Opening Comments
Davidjay writes:

No prophecy has ever failed, majority of people fail to understand prophecy because they dont listen to the Lord and see only the bark of their pet peeve rather than the tree or the forest.

What you mean is the conmen ministers can make up explanations for the failures. Sorry but if you want to start yet another thread on the nonsense called Biblical prophecy feel free to do so as long as you stick to one prophecy at a time.

Asserting absurdities like "No prophecy has ever failed" will not fly here.


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Message 210 of 274 (804153)
04-07-2017 11:42 AM
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04-07-2017 12:13 AM


Davidjay writes:

... simple language comprehension in Revelation 13 leaves no doubt that the chip is now HERE and starting to be used by the dumb and dumber.


Revelation 13 doesn't say anything about a cashless society.
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Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It's about permission to do business. And it isn't something that "dumb" people are dumbly choosing - it's forced on everybody.
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