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Davidjay
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Message 226 of 274 (804697)
04-12-2017 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by jar
04-12-2017 8:11 AM


Re: Jesus wins, and man loses
Revelation is direct prophecy and confirms all other prophets and prophecies.

Some of its main confirmations are

Daniel 2,7,8,9 and especially 11
Zechariah 2,4
Ezekiel 34
Esdras 11, Ill check that chapter.

etc etc etc etc etc etc... all prophecies fit together and confirm one another. If yours dont you have it wrong.

As a bible study, study the economics of the Lord and marvel

IE. Take the seventh year off farmers and I will give you double on the sixth year ?

Jesus set the price of wheat, and barley so the dam merchants couldnt profit by price gouging the poor. Worked for centuries

Jesus set Pentecost fifty days after the planting of the first fruits. SEE Counting the Omar exactly. Again study the Moon, Phi and growth and moons effect on us and plants, corelating with gravity pull, pineal glands, sprouting, reproduction and more.

Time, economics, harvesting, holy day corelations..... now go and do some studying... true researchers if you have any prophecy or moon or holy day econmic questions, just ask. I know some of the answers, you can figure out the rest.

LIJ (love in Jesus)

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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jar
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Message 227 of 274 (804702)
04-12-2017 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 11:29 AM


Re: Jesus wins, and man loses
Davidjay writes:

Revelation is direct prophecy and confirms all other prophets and prophecies.

Some of its main confirmations are

Daniel 2,7,8,9 and especially 11
Zechariah 2,4
Ezekiel 34
Esdras 11, Ill check that chapter.

etc etc etc etc etc etc... all prophecies fit together and confirm one another.

Utter bullshit and nonsense. No prophecy can be confirmed by something written but only by what actually happened. And no prophecy can be confirmed by stuff written before the prophecy was made. That's simply stupid.

And try to learn even a little basic history David. Are you really as ignorant as your posts show?

Jesus did not set the date of Pentecost. Easter and Pentecost are simply Christian adoption of Jewish celebrations, of Passover and Shavuot. And look up Sukkot as well. It too was one of the mandatory pilgrimage festivals.

Christians simply adopted existing festivals and arbitrarily assigned Christian themes to them. That is also true for Christmas (Jesus was not the reason for the season) and All Hallows Eve and Mardi Gras.


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ringo
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Message 228 of 274 (804713)
04-12-2017 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 1:54 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

Yes, be a so called outlaw and run to the hills as Jesus said.


Jesus didn't say any such thing. He said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." (Matthew 22:21) He advocated compliance.

But you're still missing the point of Revelation 13. it's a message to Christians. It's the prophecy-believing Christians who are more likely to fall for the Anitchrist and accept the mark of the Beast - because they're gullibble.


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Davidjay
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Message 229 of 274 (804745)
04-13-2017 1:04 AM
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04-12-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Jesus set the Festival Dates, Pentecost
Jesus was the Creator and as such created the laws and motions of the Heavens, Distances, Speeds and TIMES.

I have been proving this over and over and over again.

Forget worshiping Judiasm and/or Churchianity.

Pentecost means fifty, the Counting of the Omar is the excat number of days until harvest when the planting is done by the moon. Think darn ya, THINK, and study Holy Days and their timing.

The Hebrew calendar as directed by the Lord, is lunar. To understand this you have to understand the MOON and its DESIGN and motions, and how it effects plants women, men, fertilization and rthymns and more. Learn darn ya LEARN.

It wasnt by accident that the Lord arose from the disciples on Pentecost and sent the Holy Ghost at Pentecost.

Study 50 and what it means biblically, the captives were set free on the 50 YEAR. Slaves were set free on the 50th YEAR. Think about it. Study it, know the correspondances and principles. Know the timeline of HISTORY... rather than talking about what comes out of you.

Jesus said, Its not what goes into your mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of it. Watch your language, control your emotions.

Learn Bro, Learn


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay
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Message 230 of 274 (804746)
04-13-2017 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 1:04 AM


Re: Another 50 for ya...
Forgot the reference but you or someone can find it .... this time lets have you do the search via GOOGLE.

120 fifties...... will pass before ..... I forgot.

But it matched up exactly with the much confirmed 6,000 years of world history.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/6000yearsofEarthshistory.html

120 times 50 equals 6000.

IE Once you learn to hear from the Lord, things and principles and life will start to make sense, and come together, not just the math, and biology, but your whole life.

.Search viewers, search members, study darn yas study...google darn yas GOOGLE


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay
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Message 231 of 274 (804748)
04-13-2017 1:22 AM
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04-13-2017 1:14 AM


Re: 12o Jubilees
Here tis..

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en-CA&source=hp&biw=&bih=...

Select 2,3,4 for reading..

And then look further into the 120 jubilees

There it is.... jubilee, meaning fifty (50) Years

So continue your search

https://www.google.ca/search?q=120+jubilee+cycles&hl=en-C...

Hmm..

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2015/luisv31.htm

Pentecost, and PHI together, never heard this before but worth a read for me to see if it corelates.

Got to fly.

Do some research before posting next time. Thanks

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2015/luisv31.htm


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay
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Message 232 of 274 (804750)
04-13-2017 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
04-12-2017 3:53 PM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Ringo, Yes church Christians are materialistic and think wealth via any means shows their holiness and godliness (In most cases not all) Yes they will take the MARK, but true Christians who have love and brains and courage will NOT. Even you as a non Christian will be greatly rewarded for not taking the MARK of the Beast.

If you have guts and courage and have learned about the peridity of rulers and the elite, and the vile ones, you will either die at their hands or make a run for it. Go girl go... good on ya.

Jesus through his angel in Revelation though told, John and us to NOT TAKE THE MARK.

The goyum of the world, the heathen and dumb evolutionists, and atheists can easily be duped as they already are, yet its brethren that know the Lord, and are not concerned about their physical lives, who will have the balls and ovaries to resist taking the MARK.

Yes a few maybe like yourself will resis who are not Christians, who cares, they will be rewarded and may even join us.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Lastgathering.html

As a full time Christian independant missionay with family for thirty some years, I know the Lord provides and protects us and HIS OWN. He always comes through,... ALWAYS, experience definitely helps, but newbies can join as well.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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jar
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Message 233 of 274 (804788)
04-13-2017 7:50 AM
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04-13-2017 1:04 AM


Re: Jesus set the Festival Dates, Pentecost
More utter nonsense. Sorry but you simply continue to show your ignorance.

The celebrations preceded Christian adoption, preceded Judaism, preceded even either of the Biblical creation myths.


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ringo
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Message 234 of 274 (804835)
04-13-2017 11:40 AM
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04-13-2017 1:30 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

...true Christians who have love and brains and courage will NOT.


True Christians who have love and brains and courage are not taken in by foolish interpretations of prophecy (such as yours) either.

You're old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was supposedly the fulfilment of a lot of prophecy. Every generation seems to think that the Revelation is aimed directly at them - and every generation has been wrong.


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Davidjay
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Message 235 of 274 (804838)
04-13-2017 11:47 AM
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04-13-2017 11:40 AM


Re: Russia
Yes an even more vile world power will take over from the vile rulers of the three countries, that now rule (England, France and the US) and its Russia.

Good summation of prophecy there Ringo.... see you do know and must have read somewhat, somewhere in your past

Yes they are vile and will be viler, even though they are more innocent than the three now.

But Ill leave off further explanation, because we live in a very sensitive culture that is on the downswing..... IYKWIM

But excellent point Ringo...you are starting to get it, or should we say you will finally see it happen in FULL, as even witnessed in current events.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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ringo
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Message 236 of 274 (804844)
04-13-2017 11:55 AM
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04-13-2017 11:47 AM


Re: Russia
Davidjay writes:

Yes an even more vile world power will take over from the vile rulers of the three countries, that now rule (England, France and the US) and its Russia.


That's what the prophecy nuts always say. For a while it was the Soviet Union. Before that it was Hitler. Before that it was Napoleon. Before that it was the Turks. Before that it was Genghis Khan. Whoever they are currently demonizing perfectly fits the prophecy.

A hundred years from now it might be Botswana. The prophecy always fits if you use a big enough shoehorn.


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Davidjay
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Message 237 of 274 (804848)
04-13-2017 11:59 AM
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04-13-2017 11:55 AM


Re: Russia
I didnt know Botswana has nuclear weapons and exactly matches all the exact direct prophesies. But if that is your excuse. I must fight for your right to believe whatever you choose to believe. Yikes ! But thats divine choice, even if your choice isnt that divine.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 238 of 274 (804851)
04-13-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 11:59 AM


Re: Russia
Davidjay writes:

I didnt know Botswana has nuclear weapons and exactly matches all the exact direct prophesies.


Prophecy nuts didn't know about the Soviet Union in 1800 either. That's why the prophecy "exactly matched" Napoleon at that time. It's only with 20-20 hindsight that they realized that the Soviet Union was a better "exact match". So who's to say that something else won't be an even better "better exact match" in the future?

When you're grasping at straws, you're likely to find them.


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Davidjay
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Message 239 of 274 (805015)
04-15-2017 12:53 AM
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04-13-2017 12:11 PM


As mentioned Ringo, its your responsibility to get it right, without blaming others for getting it wrong. The blame game wont work with the Lord, just because others didnt see the exact writing on the wall, does not excuse you.

Your choice, your responsibility.

If you like a chip in your hand, then stick out your hand. If y7ou want it in your forehead, do the same.

If you love the NWO and cow tow to its demands at the threat of death, yield to them.

But please dont blame others for your decisions or lack of comprehension. Buck up and take the responsibility yourself.

Hope you take back your extended hand Ringo. At least you ewill think twice in the future when you are faced with this MARK OF THE BEAST IN THE FUTURE.

ATBIH

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 240 of 274 (805036)
04-15-2017 7:25 AM
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04-15-2017 12:53 AM


And so you admit that Revelation is failed prophecy.

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