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ringo
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Message 39 of 299 (593531)
11-27-2010 4:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
11-27-2010 3:02 PM

Re: On the other hand ...
Buzsaw writes:
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Frako, click on my profile and find all of the evidence I have cited At EvC over the past seven years supportive to the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah.
The kind of "evidence" that you cite had a lot to do with deconverting me.
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ringo
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11-28-2010 1:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 72 by ICdesign
11-28-2010 10:16 AM

ICDESIGN writes:
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No matter what you choose to believe, its going to be by faith.
It's more like what you wish to believe. A lot of people wish they could believe in a Sky Daddy who meets all of their needs. Some of them manage to delude themselves that it's true.
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Real faith isn't just wishful thinking though. It isn't just repeating, "I do, I do, I do believe in spooks." It isn't just hoping that God will solve all of your problems for you.
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Real faith is believing that there is a solution, even if you have to go out and look for it yourself. When faith works, that's how it works.
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The wishful thinkers tend to be the most vociferous advocates of "faith" - and also the most effective missionaries for unbelief.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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ringo
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Message 246 of 299 (596039)
12-12-2010 1:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 245 by Taz
12-12-2010 1:47 PM

Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
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I'm just saying that if there is a significant number of christians out there who are all tolerant and loving, I should have run into them long ago....
Maybe you're running in the wrong circles.
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ringo
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Message 254 of 299 (596051)
12-12-2010 3:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 248 by Taz
12-12-2010 2:02 PM

Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
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The fact of the matter is every time gay marriage has been put up for a vote it's been struck down by the majority.
We have gay marriage in Canada.
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ringo
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Message 256 of 299 (596053)
12-12-2010 3:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 255 by Taz
12-12-2010 3:19 PM

Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
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Another example of having to go the courts route to legalize gay marriage.
It always has to go the courts route eventually. I don't see how that reflects on the loving attitude of Christians.
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Concerning the topic, I doubt that Christian attitudes toward gay marriage have much to do with deconverting. Those attitudes are a product of society in general. Christians may have a better sound bites ("God hates fags!" beats "Ick!") but I don't think their attitudes are really any different from the rest of society.
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ringo
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12-12-2010 4:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 257 by Taz
12-12-2010 3:58 PM

Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Taz writes:
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It would simply pass via popular vote.
You're being parochial. We don't do things by popular vote in Canada. Popular vote is flighty and often has little to do with people's real attitudes.
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Taz writes:
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Right now in the US, there are no organizations that spend more money to fight against legalizing gay marriage than religious groups.
Which has little to do with their real attitudes. They're displaying a defensive attitude, not necessarily an intolerant one. The same people fight against evolution and gun control. It's an attempt to appear "different from the world", not an indication that they really are.
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But what does any of that have to do with deconversion?
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ringo
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01-03-2011 1:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 289 by iano
01-03-2011 12:22 PM

iano writes:
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Then clearly you can't consider yourself to have arrived at a destination.
When you arrive at "a" destination, the obvious question to ask yourself is, "Is this where I want to be?"
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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